U.S. traces diseased cow to Canada

Hey, thanks guys!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3797510/

If you read the article, you will see that there are glaring inconsistencies in the reports, and that this issue is not resolved yet...

I'd wait for those to be sorted out before jumping to the conclusion that Canada is to blame for something that will cost the US billions... :rolleyes:

If you read the article, you will see that there are glaring inconsistencies in the reports, and that this issue is not resolved yet...

I'd wait for those to be sorted out before jumping to the conclusion that Canada is to blame for something that will cost the US billions... :rolleyes:

I know dude, it was posted with good humor intended.

Ah, I must have missed that. :p

I sure hope the U.S. doesnt bitch when people decide to stop importing U.S. beef, after all, isn't that EXACTLY what we did when there was one (1) cow in canada found with MCD?

I love karma :D

Cruelly ironic, eh? :evillol:

Naturally, the first thing the US state department did was to blame Canada, which has yet to recover from this whole MCD business. Naturally, there were a good half dozen discrepencies that contradicted this claim. Naturally, there are DNA tests going on now on both sides of the border to sort this out, and I'd wait until those are completed before blaming anyone.

Cruelly ironic, eh? :evillol:

Naturally, the first thing the US state department did was to blame Canada, which has yet to recover from this whole MCD business. Naturally, there were a good half dozen discrepencies that contradicted this claim. Naturally, there are DNA tests going on now on both sides of the border to sort this out, and I'd wait until those are completed before blaming anyone.


i was wondering this...even if the cow came from Canada 2 years ago, hypothetically, what difference does this make? MCD is NOT genetic, it is something that is caused by environmental variables such as feed. So why say the cow was from Canada? what difference would it make?
I hope the US falls on it's ass for this blatent slight on Canada, btw, there were 2 cases found of MCD in the US compared to the 1 case in Canada. Guess karma hits back 2-fold :evillol:

i was wondering this...even if the cow came from Canada 2 years ago, hypothetically, what difference does this make? MCD is NOT genetic, it is something that is caused by environmental variables such as feed. So why say the cow was from Canada? what difference would it make?
I hope the US falls on it's ass for this blatent slight on Canada, btw, there were 2 cases found of MCD in the US compared to the 1 case in Canada. Guess karma hits back 2-fold :evillol:

That is an excellent point.

Another thing to note is that Canada has much more strict regulations of the livestock industry than the US does, especially regarding feed.

bizarre that even with all the evidence and lessons learned by Britain,the practice of feeding dead stock back into the foodchain continues.

Not only the feed issues, but also the slaughtering issues. Many American slaughterhouses have not been separating the animal brain and spinal column (where the 'prions' or specific MCD related protiens are found) from the rest of the animal and disposing of it. This has been a universal practice elsewhere in the world for some time now.

Good thing I eat Halal/Kosher meat from a reliable farm. Religious reason now anyways... but beforehand I didn't... I even resorted to being vegeterian for a good while.. now I enjoy my halal chicken :D !!

I stay away from all GM foods, concentrated foods, and other capitalist get money fast out of mass quantitated food schemes :) Just organic, old fashioned, tradionally farmed foods.. even though that's scary since not all are certified and labeled properly if you were to buy it from a regular store with an 'organic food' stand.

Before I came to Canada I basically grew up on all natural foods, non-modified, yadayada, etc... Family had a farm and all the fancy.. so once I arrived to Canada... everything tasted and even smelled (or didn't at all) bad...

http://www.themeatrix.com/ says it all hehe..

However!... we deserve this.. or rather.. our government deserves this.

From the start before I knew a thing about Paul Martin I thought somehow he was a conservative (I just have a right-wing/conservative/republican sniff-o-meter :D) I was surprised to find out he was liberal and well.. last but not least liberal PM candidate. I sensed from the start he'd be a big sell-out and suck up to the US..

So this is a nice boomerang. The US IMMEDIATELY wanted to screw us over with the mad cow disease case for not supporting them in Iraq (good deed on our side), but then our new sell out government immediately sucked up to the US and POOF it's 'traced back' (where's the real evidence?) to Canada... hahahha I wana laugh but it's sad.

The origin of the cow is irrelevant.The people who process and distribute the carcass have ultimate responsibility to ensure that the end product is fit to eat.At any point in the food manufacturing process it is far better to condemn inadequate product than to release it for consumption.

So this is a nice boomerang. The US IMMEDIATELY wanted to screw us over with the mad cow disease case for not supporting them in Iraq (good deed on our side), but then our new sell out government immediately sucked up to the US and POOF it's 'traced back' (where's the real evidence?) to Canada... hahahha I wana laugh but it's sad.

That seems a little far fetched don't you think? You actually believe the US is trying to sabotage Canada for not supporting our war in Iraq?

That seems a little far fetched don't you think? You actually believe the US is trying to sabotage Canada for not supporting our war in Iraq?

Question.....The President of which country said "You are either with us,or against us?

Economic warfare is about finding excuses to block imports to your own country while exporting as much as possible.Half of the alleged quarrantine/hygiene restrictions on internationally-traded food are little more than economic sanctions.

That seems a little far fetched don't you think? You actually believe the US is trying to sabotage Canada for not supporting our war in Iraq?

There are many who would say that the US has been systematically targeting key Canadian industries, such as softwood lumber in British Columbia, specialty crop farming in Saskatchewan, the fisheries on the east coast and now the beef industry...

I tend to agree with them.

BTW, I have been a vegetarian for 10 years, and I'm quite relieved at being at zero risk for contracting CJD. :iceslolan

BTW, I have been a vegetarian for 10 years, and I'm quite relieved at being at zero risk for contracting CJD. :iceslolan

the risk to meat-eaters isn't thatmuch higher anyway.

Sabotaging, exploiting and abusing another's economy for one's own superior economy is called "economic imperialism". A conservative thought me this :)

"There are many who would say that the US has been systematically targeting key Canadian industries, such as softwood lumber in British Columbia, specialty crop farming in Saskatchewan, the fisheries on the east coast and now the beef industry...

I tend to agree with them."

I seriously doubt it's a case of the U.S. sabotaging the Canadian beef industry. After all, this was a cow in Washington state, which is on the border of Canada. The U.S. has never had a case of mad cow disease and there was a cow with mad cow disease in Canada just a few months ago. Coincidence? The way beef cattle are raised here, (free range 90% of the time), doesn't really allow for many chances of contamination, because the cows aren't really given much feed, they just graze.

In the dairies they have a chance to contract it because they're in tightly packed quarters and given feed to eat, but those cows aren't used for beef as much as for milk and cheese.

"BTW, I have been a vegetarian for 10 years, and I'm quite relieved at being at zero risk for contracting CJD."

No wonder you posted that vegetarian report against meat.

"There are many who would say that the US has been systematically targeting key Canadian industries, such as softwood lumber in British Columbia, specialty crop farming in Saskatchewan, the fisheries on the east coast and now the beef industry...

I tend to agree with them."

I seriously doubt it's a case of the U.S. sabotaging the Canadian beef industry. After all, this was a cow in Washington state, which is on the border of Canada. The U.S. has never had a case of mad cow disease and there was a cow with mad cow disease in Canada just a few months ago. Coincidence? The way beef cattle are raised here, (free range 90% of the time), doesn't really allow for many chances of contamination, because the cows aren't really given much feed, they just graze.

In the dairies they have a chance to contract it because they're in tightly packed quarters and given feed to eat, but those cows aren't used for beef as much as for milk and cheese.


This is the first case of BSE that has been confirmed, I'll refer you to the studies from Yale and PSU that estimate 10% of deaths attributed to Alzheimers are in fact CJD cases... :rolleyes: Maybe this is the first reported case of BSE in the US because they US has the worst food inspection policies in the western world.

As a matter of fact, even beef cattle are fed on mixed feed for the first few years of their lives. Most large commercial beef farms feed them mixed feed for their whole lives.


"BTW, I have been a vegetarian for 10 years, and I'm quite relieved at being at zero risk for contracting CJD."

No wonder you posted that vegetarian report against meat.

I supposed being a vegetarian makes me a radical greenpeace activist who is trying to shut down the beef industry through misinformation, right? :rolleyes:

I posted that article because it's something that people should read. It was not an article against meat, it was an article on how CJD is likely misdiagnosed as Alzheimers disease in many cases.

"This is the first case of BSE that has been confirmed, I'll refer you to the studies from Yale and PSU that estimate 10% of deaths attributed to Alzheimers are in fact CJD cases... Maybe this is the first reported case of BSE in the US because they US has the worst food inspection policies in the western world."

Remind me again... which country had THOUSANDS of cattle infected with BSE in the 80's and ended up having 143 people or so die because of it? Britain right? Which country just a few months ago had a cow with BSE? Canada right? Worst food inspection in the western world....riiiiiight. I may not work around the dairies here, but I still work at the ag department for my county. The government does plenty to inspect and certify any ag products, ESPECIALLY when they're going across international borders.

"I supposed being a vegetarian makes me a radical greenpeace activist who is trying to shut down the beef industry through misinformation, right?"

I dunno, are you one? Could've fooled me with most of the arguments you bring up and support.

"This is the first case of BSE that has been confirmed, I'll refer you to the studies from Yale and PSU that estimate 10% of deaths attributed to Alzheimers are in fact CJD cases... Maybe this is the first reported case of BSE in the US because they US has the worst food inspection policies in the western world."

Remind me again... which country had THOUSANDS of cattle infected with BSE in the 80's and ended up having 143 people or so die because of it? Britain right? Which country just a few months ago had a cow with BSE? Canada right? Worst food inspection in the western world....riiiiiight. I may not work around the dairies here, but I still work at the ag department for my county. The government does plenty to inspect and certify any ag products, ESPECIALLY when they're going across international borders.


My point is, that it was discovered and identified in these countries... If you actually realize what those studies mean, it points to a previously unimagined BSE problem in the US, that isn't yet known because there is no widespread screening process to detect it...


"I supposed being a vegetarian makes me a radical greenpeace activist who is trying to shut down the beef industry through misinformation, right?"

I dunno, are you one? Could've fooled me with most of the arguments you bring up and support.

I support credible arguments that are largely ignored by the US mainstream media. Someone has to do it.

"My point is, that it was discovered and identified in these countries... If you actually realize what those studies mean, it points to a previously unimagined BSE problem in the US, that isn't yet known because there is no widespread screening process to detect it..."

You do know that there are quite a few people that die in the U.S. from CCJD every year don't you? There is a difference though between CCJD and VCJD, which is from eating tainted beef. At least thats what they think now, that could change in years to come.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_1051279,00.html

This talks about it and gives a little bit of info on what actually causes BSE in cattle and kills people.

"I support credible arguments that are largely ignored by the US mainstream media."

What? Vegetarianism? Ever hear of PETA? They get lots of publicity.

"There are many who would say that the US has been systematically targeting key Canadian industries, such as softwood lumber in British Columbia, specialty crop farming in Saskatchewan, the fisheries on the east coast and now the beef industry...

I tend to agree with them."

I seriously doubt it's a case of the U.S. sabotaging the Canadian beef industry. After all, this was a cow in Washington state, which is on the border of Canada. The U.S. has never had a case of mad cow disease and there was a cow with mad cow disease in Canada just a few months ago. Coincidence? The way beef cattle are raised here, (free range 90% of the time), doesn't really allow for many chances of contamination, because the cows aren't really given much feed, they just graze.

In the dairies they have a chance to contract it because they're in tightly packed quarters and given feed to eat, but those cows aren't used for beef as much as for milk and cheese.

"BTW, I have been a vegetarian for 10 years, and I'm quite relieved at being at zero risk for contracting CJD."

No wonder you posted that vegetarian report against meat.

the point is, the second this came out, the US started pointing fingers at Canada. The major point is, if it was bought from Canada 2 years ago, which is still disputed, THIS HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THE COW HAVING MCD NOW. Thats like saying, yeah i bought this car from x dealership 2 years ago, and now the brake pads are worn down, must be the dealers fault. Face the facts, the US is just avoiding the blame.

"My point is, that it was discovered and identified in these countries... If you actually realize what those studies mean, it points to a previously unimagined BSE problem in the US, that isn't yet known because there is no widespread screening process to detect it..."

You do know that there are quite a few people that die in the U.S. from CCJD every year don't you? There is a difference though between CCJD and VCJD, which is from eating tainted beef. At least thats what they think now, that could change in years to come.


I'm aware of the difference, CCJD is extremely rare, about 1 person per million will get it is the current thinking. It is unclear whether the CJD in these studies is CCJD or VCJD.

Here is another link

http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum/AlzheimersDiseaseF/9.13.986.46PMAlzheimerssometim


"I support credible arguments that are largely ignored by the US mainstream media."

What? Vegetarianism? Ever hear of PETA? They get lots of publicity.

Not one of my arguments has involved vegetarianism, this discussion is about CJD. I happened to find it on rense.com, via whatreallyhappened.com :rolleyes:

"Face the facts, the US is just avoiding the blame."

I never said it was all Canadas fault. I was just pointing out that the U.S. wasn't sabotaging the Canadian beef industry.

"Not one of my arguments has involved vegetarianism, this discussion is about CJD. I happened to find it on rense.com, via whatreallyhappened.com"

Yeah, i was just messin with you about that anyways. I'm just used to Vegetarians piping up about their virtues every time something about health comes around. You don't seem like the preaching type though.

Hmmmm... even if you are a vegetarian it is possible to contract CJD via transfusions, surgical procedures and some hormonal therapy etc. Many folk here were asked not to donate blood if they lived in the UK during a certain period - I don't know if this restriction is still in force.

There is a lot we don't know about CJD but the onset of symptoms can take many years - at this time it's not entirely proven that there is a causal link between BSE and the onset of Variant CJD.

For those interested, you should do a google search on work on indigenous folk who lived in the Fore Region of PNG and the practice of Kuru.

In the meantime, despite what the US says I'm avoiding certain burger chains or sticking to the chicken variants...

Many folk here were asked not to donate blood if they lived in the UK during a certain period - I don't know if this restriction is still in force.


Yes,the ban is still in force.Seems that I can't even give away something that would save a life because of the infinitessimal risk that it may cause them harm at some time later in life.