Who Can Actually Drift???

Seeing as how racing forums have racers, my question is...do any of you actually drift?!? Who can actually pull off a smooth drift that'll last at least 2-3 seconds?

Longest sustained drift; 8 warm-up laps in a 305 sprinter at Attica Raceway Park. I did pretty well, too. Attica's a 3/8th's mile high bank oval and I was cutting 16 second lap times. Top of the field usually cuts 14's.

On pavement, I drift (or drifted, seeing as Layla's been laid up with a blown starter for several months) a 1970 MGB GT with both ease and enthusiasm. It's combination of low rear end grip, manual rack-&-pinion steering, torquey 1800cc OHV four (that I've done much tuning work to), and close first, second, and third ratios in the gearbox (fourth is an overdrive) with straight-cut gears make my Layla a sweet little drifter.

Trust me, as soon as there's pics to post I'll show you all what I mean.

I've drifted my Z a few times... nothing crazy but I had my fun.

I don't consider myself 'pro' at it by any means. I don't think I'll try again till I've got better seats and some racing harnesses. The stock buckets allow you to move around too much. You have a tendency to get thrown around. :iceslolan

Kinda off topic but my friend’s dad drifted his semi in the snow. It has to be one of the funniest things I have ever seen. I mean to see this big freightliner come around the corner with the ass hanging out it was pretty cool. I have to get a picture of it next time.

on ice i can drift indifnitaly
on pavement 3 seconds isnt too hard

2-3 seconds isn't hard on a downhill curve of 90 degrees or tighter. But I don't think being able to coax a car to drift around a few turns... o.k. so a drift is drift.

Thank you for making this topic.

I have gotten the BMW sideways a couple times, but it wouldnt be a drift in the eyes of these trendy people who only know D1.

The fact that it has a billion electronic aids, and its my dads car prevent me from going balls out

Drifting just seems so scary to me :rolleyes:

i can readily admit that i'm still in the learning stages.

but i don't talk like i'm a pro or anything. if you're learning, then it's ok to admit it. just don't talk smack like you're a pro when you're not, because your actions when speak for you when the time comes.

i need an LSD on my car before i can try to start seriousley drifting. it's hard to throw the rear out right now with no LSD.

i can readily admit that i'm still in the learning stages.

but i don't talk like i'm a pro or anything. if you're learning, then it's ok to admit it. just don't talk smack like you're a pro when you're not, because your actions when speak for you when the time comes.

i need an LSD on my car before i can try to start seriousley drifting. it's hard to throw the rear out right now with no LSD.



That's kinda how I am, I'm still in the learning stages... although I openly admit to only really trying to drift once. Have it on video, didn't do too bad on my second pass on a large turn.


My car has the LSD, I just lack the skill so far to use it's potiential... also my rear wheels have a bit of camber to them... it actually handles reallly well. But extremely hard to break loose.

i drfted once in my fathers mpv.. i went really fast and slammed the brakes and the accelarator at the same time and closed my eyes, i dont know if it was ff or fr, but it seemed to work well..

and then i was at desaru on holiday at my uncles house, he had a golf-cart for going around the estate, i stole the keys and went out, and did the same, and when i open my eyes the golf cart is on its left. i was holding on to the steering wheel on the right so i didnt get hurt. but it hurt when i let go to get out.. i pushed it back easily because the roof was so high..

I drift. I used to race, but got bored. Drifting is cooler. Also, the best driver win. Not the driver with the best car. I like that :)

i've been racing for a little over a year now... just got a hold of a rwd car (since my previous ones were fwd)

i've been getting more into drifting and it's fun, but i don't consider myself a drifter... more of an enthusiast. Even though basic drifting can be defined as a slide, there is really more into it to be called a drifter... it's an art of speed, angle, weight transfer and connecting your drifts... it's about full extreme car control... not just a simple j-turn skid.... imho.

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I drift. I used to race, but got bored. Drifting is cooler. Also, the best driver win. Not the driver with the best car. I like that
not true at all.
autocross is a prime example of the best driver winning, instead of the best car.
there are many areas of racing where a better driver in a lesser car can, and does win races.
maybe you just weren't good enough? ;)
i drfted once in my fathers mpv.. i went really fast and slammed the brakes and the accelarator at the same time and closed my eyes, i dont know if it was ff or fr, but it seemed to work well..
depending on the model, it was either fwd or awd.
why the hell would you slam on the gas and brake at the same time though, and then close your eyes?
both of your little episodes are pretty questionable...

not true at all.
autocross is a prime example of the best driver winning, instead of the best car.
there are many areas of racing where a better driver in a lesser car can, and does win races.
maybe you just weren't good enough? ;)

depending on the model, it was either fwd or awd.
why the hell would you slam on the gas and brake at the same time though, and then close your eyes?
both of your little episodes are pretty questionable...


They were made in rwd too my friend got one pretty fun for a mini-van can get the ass end out faster than some cars I've seen it's funny. :lol2:

not true at all.
autocross is a prime example of the best driver winning, instead of the best car.
there are many areas of racing where a better driver in a lesser car can, and does win races.
maybe you just weren't good enough? ;)


Well, it depends on wich level of racing you are at. Autocross, no offence, is not racing. It's a technical exersize and allthough demanding, it's not anywhere near racing at high speeds with other cars around you.
I'm aware that it's possible to do well in a lesser car, but that's if you race at a regional level where most drivers compete for fun, and where only a few are actually experienced enough to go really fast.

When it comes to good enough, how about 2nd place in the 1600 Kent category in the Formula Ford Festival at Brands Hatch 1995. That's one of the biggest and hardest races in Europe. There were 90 drivers from 26 countries. I also won my first race in the british Formula Ford championship at the age of 17. Since then I've been fighting in the top three in every race I've ever attended in Scandiavia. I even did a comeback in Formula Fords in 2000, four years after sitting in one for the last time, and 20 kilos overweight. I borrowed an old car from a friend to attend the final race of the Nordic championship (the same one that had Mika Häkkinen, J J Letho and Mika Salo at the top three positions some 15 years ago ;)). Anyway the team screwed up, and I ran out of gas on the last lap. I was then leading by 4 seconds on the now Toyota F1 signed driver, Alex Danielsson. So there's my reason for being tired of having to work hard only to loose because I can't afford to spend hundreds og thousand dollars on racing. I did a Barber Dodge test at sebring in 1997 as well. I then matched Fredrik Larssons pole time from the previous weekend within 10 laps...

Just had to get that off my chest, as I'm sick of hearing arguments from people who does not know what they're talking about (no offence to you in particular). I know I don't come of very symphatetic now, but I do have a point ;)

Racing at a high level is a pain if you don't have a decent budget and can afford the best equipment at all times. Just think about it. In what other sport are you that dependent of the equipment? If you race in a series where the top 20 drivers qualify within a second of eachother, it should be needless to say that if your car is not perfect, you will finish last. I never did. In fact, unless I've had technical problems I've always been top five, usually top three. And I usually get pole position...

Still, I've decided to compete in drifting rather than normal racing. It's more rewarding as a driver. I've pushed the limits for 15 years, now I'd like to take it one step further ;)

Good for you Kamikaze Drifter! Its refreshing to hear from "racers" who enjoy drifting as well. I've just heard so much from racers, particularly SCCA guys or the older generation racers who does not accept drifting at all...

i have not drifted myself, but i have drifted with a friend in his ae86 and his rx-8. hes not bad, and can sustain some nice long drifts, and back to back s-turns

Kamikaze drifter, if you did all of that, then you should at least be racing in Cart, or in BTCC or something, even if you're dead broke.

I'm gonna ask for proof of all that crap you posted, so far...I don't believe much of it.

Kamikaze drifter, if you did all of that, then you should at least be racing in Cart, or in BTCC or something, even if you're dead broke.

I'm gonna ask for proof of all that crap you posted, so far...I don't believe much of it.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Everybody thinks that if you're good enough, you'll get to the top. That's just bullshit I'm afraid. Unless you got some big sponsors backing you up, it's impossible to get in. The doors may be open, but you still have to pay up. When you are from a country with only four million people, getting sponsors that are big enough is virtually impossible. Even Petter Solberg, the newly crowned world rally champion had to borrow $100k+ from the bank (!) to get started. I'm not stupid enough to do that ;)

When it comes to proof, I do have some magazine scans at my website www.fsr.no. Here are some examples:

http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/autosport_1194_beats_zetec.asp
http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/autosport_1294_soerlie_win.asp
http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/mn_0595_scandinavians_win.asp
http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/mn_1095_apollo_take_off.asp

Good enough? ;)

Good for you Kamikaze Drifter! Its refreshing to hear from "racers" who enjoy drifting as well. I've just heard so much from racers, particularly SCCA guys or the older generation racers who does not accept drifting at all...

I know, it's the same in norway. A lot of my fellow racers argue that since going sideways is slower, practising car control is a waste of time. Well, tha way I see it, driving on the limit and staying there is a lot easier if you don't have to worry about loosing it. In racing situations you will have to be creative when it comes to racingline and braking points if you are fighting for position and trying to overtake. Having the ability to control a car while going to fast and at a "strange" angle, could be the difference between winning and crashing.

For me, drifting is a great way to improve my skills as a racer as well. Not only drifting as in taking my AE86 to the track, but drifting in snow with whatever car you're driving. Hell, I drift anything if I get the chance. It's all good practise :D

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Everybody thinks that if you're good enough, you'll get to the top. That's just bullshit I'm afraid. Unless you got some big sponsors backing you up, it's impossible to get in. The doors may be open, but you still have to pay up. When you are from a country with only four million people, getting sponsors that are big enough is virtually impossible. Even Petter Solberg, the newly crowned world rally champion had to borrow $100k+ from the bank (!) to get started. I'm not stupid enough to do that ;)

When it comes to proof, I do have some magazine scans at my website www.fsr.no. Here are some examples:

http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/autosport_1194_beats_zetec.asp
http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/autosport_1294_soerlie_win.asp
http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/mn_0595_scandinavians_win.asp
http://www.fsr.no/fsr/artikkel/mn_1095_apollo_take_off.asp

Good enough? ;)


Not dumb enough to borrow 100k? Petter soldberg did it and now he's rally champion (according to you, I don't know who he is) and you're sitting on front of your computer like a lazy-ass.

Buddy, with the skill that you say you have, I'd work my ass off, borrow some money and try my best to get the to the top. You have to spend money to get money. You're dumb if you're turning down an oppurtunity like this.

Those articles mean little to me. You can claim you're Michael Shumacher and post articles of him winning the F1 championchip to 'prove' you're Michael Shumacher. But for now, I'll believe you ;)

You're blaming your country's population for your lack of sucess?!?! LAME. :dissapoint:

"Everybody thinks that if you're good enough, you'll get to the top"...if you're good enough, and you're not near the top...you're doing some wrong.

Bring your ass to America, race in BMW's "searchfor the next F1 driver" series thingy, and if you're as good as you say you are...you'll be in F1 by 2005.

Integra, I'm a former quarter-midget stand out and I know exactly where he's coming from.

At one point, I was track record holder at the now defunct Killidare Speedway, an 1/8th mile oval that ran mostly karts and quarter midgets. I drove for a friend of the family, and notched up several victories as well as the track record. Unfortunately, it was all local racing (hence lack of exposure) and once the family friend pulled my car to concentrate on his son's car (and there was this little matter of a wreck I had that broke my collarbone), that was it. My racing career, which some speculated could've taken me to USAC, was over by the time I was 9.

There are still a few people here and there who recall my name from Killidare. One of them actually gave me a shot to hot-lap his 305 sprint car at Attica Raceway Park. I would've been competitive in qualifying but race wise, well, you don't hop into a sprint car on dirt and race a few heats when the last time you raced was nearly ten years ago.

Shit happens. You lose your ride. Another guy had a better sponsor. You got injured. The team owner's son got preferential treatment. Racing on a professional level is 90% politics, 9% money, and 1% what happens on the track.

And I'll tell you one other thing. If I ever got together the money and the sponsorship, I'd get right back on track. In fact, if anything I'd buy an older Saunier-Graves chassis, call up Marcus Malcuit to get an engine built, and get on the ISMA tour (International Super Modified Association) to start moving up in the open wheel world.

As a matter of fact, John Dirk probably would sell his car. It's this #71. http://www.midwestsupers.com/images/PICT0612.JPG

Layla's keeper, it sucks what hepened to you, but this guy has a hell of a chance. Nowadays, all you have to do to get exposure is start kart racing, when the "starts of tommorow" event comes around to you city, they have a huge kart race and they pick the best drivers, and put them in a higher racing form (Barber Dodge, if you've heard of it), then the pick the best form that, and they go higher and higher ...and all you have to do is prove you can drive the whole freakin time. I might be missing something in the translation, but this is all I heard.

Not dumb enough to borrow 100k? Petter soldberg did it and now he's rally champion (according to you, I don't know who he is) and you're sitting on front of your computer like a lazy-ass.

Buddy, with the skill that you say you have, I'd work my ass off, borrow some money and try my best to get the to the top. You have to spend money to get money. You're dumb if you're turning down an oppurtunity like this.

Those articles mean little to me. You can claim you're Michael Shumacher and post articles of him winning the F1 championchip to 'prove' you're Michael Shumacher. But for now, I'll believe you ;)

You're blaming your country's population for your lack of sucess?!?! LAME. :dissapoint:

"Everybody thinks that if you're good enough, you'll get to the top"...if you're good enough, and you're not near the top...you're doing some wrong.

Bring your ass to America, race in BMW's "searchfor the next F1 driver" series thingy, and if you're as good as you say you are...you'll be in F1 by 2005.

Integra, I see your point, but it's just, well, more complicated than that. I did work my ass of to get to F1, but that was ten years ago. Now I'm 26 and fat ;) The motivation is not there either as my life is full of other stuff that's important to me as well. I don't wan't to be a F1 driver. I'd might like to race in the US, but I would have to give up everything else in my life, and I'm not sure if I'm brave enough to do that once again.

On the other hand, this is exactly why I've taken up drifting. As I said, Norway is a small country, and even though that's a bad thing when it comes to raising funds (I'm not placing blame by the way, just spilling facts), it's a good thing as it's quite easy to get publicity. So being the first "professional" drifter has given me a new chance. Drifting is a brand new sport in Norway, but with my previous racing experience I've learned it very quickly. This way I've made a name for my self in a sport where I don't have to fight that hard to get sponsorship, as I'm the only one worth spending money on atm ;)

So for me, drifting is a second chance, and I'd rather take it than go pursuit a chance I had ten years ago...

So let's just see where it takes me. I'm in this for the thrill and the fun, not because I want to be a F1 driver. I'd love to make a career, but not on the expence of everything else in my life ;) Thanks for the peptalk though :D

The fun of drifting is that you can be a regular guy and still go up with sponsored and veteran drivers and be just as good if not better... its a young sport that everyone is on the same level right now.

i wouldn't go so far as to say that everyone is on the same level...
maybe in the perspective of everyone being able to get into a huge event and have a chance to compete...
but skill level... definitely not the same...
but i think it's awesome to know that you can go out, joe nobody, and compete against some of the best in the world on any given day...

I'm not talking about skill level. I'm talking about having a level playing field since its a young sport in our locale and that everyone has a given opportunity to be made or be broken. I guess back to topic... SO WHO REALLY DRIFTS HERE? ;-)

Everyone seems to be internet knowledgable, and have their own respective opinions, but skill is what talks.

that's what i just said, a level playing field means that you can face off against anyone if you go to an event, regardless of your skill level...
but i think it's awesome to know that you can go out, joe nobody, and compete against some of the best in the world on any given day...
I'm talking about having a level playing field since its a young sport in our locale and that everyone has a given opportunity to be made or be broken.

see how those two things say the same thing...

that's what i just said, a level playing field means that you can face off against anyone if you go to an event, regardless of your skill level...

see how those two things say the same thing...

:screwy: i just wanted to make my opinion clear.

honestly, i read your first few words and didnt even bother to read the rest before i replied so its my fault... but no need to get mad and be all sarcastic. i know how good of a drifter you are flylwsi... no need to smoke me in the forums :smokin:

now please, back to topic. no senseless arguments.

i need an LSD on my car before i can try to start seriousley drifting. it's hard to throw the rear out right now with no LSD.


pussy!!!!!!

lol..j/p



check my post in 240sx forums "i spit on hi-powered cars with lousy drivers"

i drift. i might suck, but i drift got-dammit. i practiced for a almost year on an open diff auto 240sx s14, then converted that sucker to stick and drifted open diff still. as long as theres space to learn, use it. dont go trying to go all out on a mountain or something dangerous like that. a big open parking lot will suit you fine till you get used to the feeling.

now i drift my new purple s14 with 2way lsd from kaaz. :)

I havent read the whole thing of this thread, but I just wanted to say. Is it just me or do the pros make it look so easy (Deffinately not saying it is) Probably because they are very smooth.

Well, they make it look too easy. Heres why

1) Theyve been drifting for ten, 15 years. In the case of Keiichi Tsuchiya, 30 years.

2) They have theyre car dialed in to the last mm. Suspension, tire, compounds, spring rates, damping, LSD, boost, tire pressure, fuel and ignition maps. Basically, whatever could possibly go wrong is eliminated. With 500,000(the usual budget for a D1 car), you can get it right.

3)With 400hp, sticky tires(these can hold your drift as long as they have tread), and a perfect suspension and LSD, you can drift your way across Japan if you so choose.

4) Many D1 drivers come from another form of racing(Ueo used to do auto-x/gymkhana, Taniguchi races JGTC etc.) they have an intimate knowledge of the courses, race lines, brake points etc. Therefore, they know the track well.

So ya, there are other factors, but thats pretty much it. And your so mesmerized by them, and probably havent seen more than 3 or 4 pro drifters, if any at all, that you cant tell between a good and bad drifter.

Im 22 and i've been drifting for awhile. But my first amatuer competition was AUTOXng. and before that i was DRAGGING and i've been dealing with mostly FF and FR not as hardly as AWD but I've driven them. Anyways.. "Actually drifting" yes, I do that. I also love doing some TOUGE runs here locally (piece of advise. Do not drift on a touge run, its bad. he he)

oh yeah. Anyone signed up for that DD12 at Irwindale? Jan 17th? if so. See you there. Hit me up. so We can meet up at the competition. I signed up on NOvice :D. Its been a year and still a novice. he he. oh well "Rome was not built over night".


oh yeah. Im new in this forum.
If any newbie got some questions. Ill be glad to help. Not here to smack talk people. Just here to share. oh yeah. You guys call it "Flaming" he he.. that's funny.

actually, i heard from Kosuke Kida (through his interpreter) at the Signal event here in September that their twin 1580's only cost about $100g American/Canadian (can't remember which) to build. of course, they're not quite as extreme as some of the others out there who might've spent more (Kuroi's 700hp RB26 monster or Tezuka's Cresta for instance), but it proves that you can still have a competitive D1 car for not QUITE so much...althought $100g is still a figure i'll never see.

Has anybody ever drifted in something larger than a car, like a SUV for example? I'm curious.

i drift for fun, not for being stupid enough to try flip an SUV... and oh yeah, they dont allow SUV on the track...

Yeah, I know all of that stuff, but its just sooooo cool how smooth they are. Probably has to do with that they arent on a touge hehe. bout the SUV thing, on this other forum some guy posted a buncha videos. Well one of them, I dont think it was real, but a bunch of arab guys in a landcruiser shift it around on a staraight road and get it up on 2 wheels (on the side) and some guy reaches out and runs a like matchbox car along the ground. It was great! But probably fake

actually, i heard from Kosuke Kida (through his interpreter) at the Signal event here in September that their twin 1580's only cost about $100g American/Canadian (can't remember which) to build. of course, they're not quite as extreme as some of the others out there who might've spent more (Kuroi's 700hp RB26 monster or Tezuka's Cresta for instance), but it proves that you can still have a competitive D1 car for not QUITE so much...althought $100g is still a figure i'll never see.


Ya, true, but he also told me(through Jun), that the S15 cost 500,000grand, and their new car(I guess Chris's 350??) costs the same. Jun told me the Drifter X original car cost 75 grand, since ti was just an SR with a boost up and a fancy paint job. He says HKS, Greddy and especially APEX etc. all spend the big half mil, since they have money to play, but Nomuken,Ueo and the other smaller guys, dont spend as much, because they dont have it.

I learnt this because I was supposedly hanging around Kida for an hour :P I was actually waiting to get my pic taken with the dudes, and had a chat with Jun :finger:

I saw those Arab videos!! I want the fuckin soundtrack. So much better than Ferry Corsten lol.

There was a Isuzu Rodeo at drift showoff apparently.

With that said, in Drift Tengoku 17, one guy from C&Y Sports crashes his car and takes out a Mitsubishi Fuso truck( a delivery van) onto the track

i drift for fun, not for being stupid enough to try flip an SUV... and oh yeah, they dont allow SUV on the track...
Guess you're right, which is why you don't see tractor trailers going sideways on the highway.

Well, take into consideration the mad drift skills of the guys in SCORE and CORR off road racing.

I'd say slinging a 2 ton fullsize truck sideways around Crandon or Bark River qualifies for the "bigger than a car" drifting question.

Well, then there is the Escudo Pike peak that is a Suzuki "Escudo" I mean the Escudo is originally an SUV, but the pikes teak one is probably lower than my car (besides the wing)

not true at all.
autocross is a prime example of the best driver winning, instead of the best car.
there are many areas of racing where a better driver in a lesser car can, and does win races.
maybe you just weren't good enough? ;)

depending on the model, it was either fwd or awd.
why the hell would you slam on the gas and brake at the same time though, and then close your eyes?
both of your little episodes are pretty questionable...

Isn't autocross the US version of Gymkhana? If so, the best cars over here for that are the little 660 cc turbo charges Suzuki Alto Works. Small nimble and good handling. Almost every track day here has a gynkhana setup too.

Gymkhana is different from Autocross (at least comparing it with the Japanese version). Gymkhana has a much tighter course design with a lot of use of oversteering (or maybe slow drifting) as you go through the course. It is still a timed course but instead of grip and a lot of straight aways or slaloms, its a lot of 360's and 180's.

its difficult to explain, but once you see it... you know its different... but fun!

it is also very straining on both the car and the driver than autox

SUV's and trucks aren't allowed on tracks?
BS.
if you build it right, which i've considered, with a toyota or nissan pickup... you can drift it.
it wouldn't be hard...
or you could get an S-10, cage it, brace the frame, and swap in a vette suspension, motor and trans...
easy to get sideways, great suspension... you could road race that if you wanted to...

*here come the flames...*

hahaha flames for your ass... only because your asking for it you little sarcastic bastard! hahahaha

i am talking about in "stock" trucks and SUV's... ANYTHING CAN BE BUILT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

But i think what you have to consider when he asked the question is has anyone drifted a van or suv that's stock.

Who here has a RACE TRUCK or SUV in the first place?

that they DRIFT?

No really, i'm serious.

Who?

Do you have one flylwsi????

Maybe you do and i dont know about it coz i'd like to hear about your fully built drift truck.

once again... hahahaha

Gymkhana is different from Autocross (at least comparing it with the Japanese version). Gymkhana has a much tighter course design with a lot of use of oversteering (or maybe slow drifting) as you go through the course. It is still a timed course but instead of grip and a lot of straight aways or slaloms, its a lot of 360's and 180's.

its difficult to explain, but once you see it... you know its different... but fun!

it is also very straining on both the car and the driver than autox


Also, in Gymkhana, dont you need to go over a turn more than once sometimes.

Also, it seems in the Tokyo Area the Mini Cooper(original) is the dominat car.

Yeah, Minis are real real real popula rin Japan. When I visited thi spast summer. I was just outside of Osaka, and wow there were a bunch. Then Daihatsu has a car that is current, my family that I stayed with had one, and it is a mini ripoff, hahah. They even have a minilite edition of it! Oh yeah, my family, when they came to a stop in an intersection in an automatic car they would shift into park? It was real weird. Could you please explain this to me?

I do that with my old Toyota Chaser GT. When I'm at a stop light I shift it to park, I guess its a Japanese or Okinawan thing or maybe I'm just lazy.

The only car that does that over here right now is the Subarus with the ECVT (Electronic Constant Variable Transmission.) Kind of weird. It wont move until you step on the gas, and you feel really removed from the driving process. However they DO break a lot, so there isn't much demand for them anymore.

i have been drifting since i got my first car a toyota cressida, then i got a 240sx and then another, one is drag one is drift. I learned to drift in palo verde hills, pv east. and ill tell you one thing when people and kids start trying to drift awd cars the death rate is goin to go thru the roof i have seeen this bs crap is all the ricer magazines recomending the evo and even the z as a drift car, unless your rhys millen your not goin to survive an attempt at an awd drift in the mountains, maybe in a parking lot, but thats not real drifting to me, togue is where drifting is actually i think a real skill and proven/learned.

I must agree that Touge is the best place. It is dangerous, but it allows all cars to be competative.

i have been drifting since i got my first car a toyota cressida, then i got a 240sx and then another, one is drag one is drift. I learned to drift in palo verde hills, pv east. and ill tell you one thing when people and kids start trying to drift awd cars the death rate is goin to go thru the roof i have seeen this bs crap is all the ricer magazines recomending the evo and even the z as a drift car, unless your rhys millen your not goin to survive an attempt at an awd drift in the mountains, maybe in a parking lot, but thats not real drifting to me, togue is where drifting is actually i think a real skill and proven/learned.

Woah, you are cool(and Im not sarcastic) finally someone who sees through the BS! The Z has some crazy understeer, and its really expensive to start with. Ive only seen one amateur drift the Z well, and he was an exceptional driver to begin with.

Drifting deaths suck, but what can I say, Darwin claims another.

FC sidewasys, which canyon do you run?

What would be the best drift car to start on? Something cheap, but reliable and easy to control.

A good drift car would be an inexpensive FR car with a manual trans. The value of 240Zs is going up, so you may want to look at like a 510. But I would suggest personnaly only because I have one a Toyota Celica Supra MKII. It has a LSD, and has 161 HP and is lighter than the other supras. I would try and get an 85 because they were the last year (besides a few that were made in 86) and the other years either had a loose or tight trans, and supposedly the 85 they perfected it. Then it also has more power than like an 83 or 82. But you need to be carefull becuase its a pain, the stock exhaust is 2.25 not 2.5.

The Starlet KP61 is solid rear axel like the AE86 right? If it wasnt oooh it would be sweet as hell (no that it isnt) The Family I stayed with in Japan, the father wanted to be a really racer, so he used to have a Starlet KP61.

Sorry, I'm not that good at knowing cars from there model code. What's a FR 510?

FR refers to the drivetrain layout (F means front engine, R means rear wheel drive). the 510 was a "cheap" 4-door "family sedan" sold by Datsun in the '70s. it was put out to compete with the very first Toyota Corolla's. it's RWD, and many people are seeing potential in them nowadays and modifying them, some people are even crazy enough to swap an SR20DET into them...

i would love one myself, but older cars require money on hand in case something breaks...money on hand is something i don't currently have.

Yes, they were available in 2 doors also. But yes it would be a pain that it is old. You would not want it as a daily driver if you are going to do stuff to it. Just make sure the car has a LSD. I know you can "drift without one" but if you are going to be serious and when you get more power, and especialy with heavier cars you really need one. Most FR cars had them. For GM it was called posi traction.