Drifting a Prelude?

I'm looking at getting a late 90's prelude... I just got interested in drifting. I like my civic, but it's slow. I don't spose a prelude can be drifted too well?

That's a statement that opens up a can of worms that a lot of us probably don't want to get into.

The end run statement, which I hope will negate a huge flame fest, is this: An FF chassis can be tuned to deliver oversteer and by using complex braking techniques and the handbrake, you can slide around an FF car quite a bit and you can enjoy it. However, show drifting as a sport is dominated by rear-wheel-drive cars and you'll have a much easier time of it if you invest in a Nissan 240SX or Mazda RX-7 for drifting.

no. you can't really drift a prelude.
you need a rwd car.

i drifted my 95 prelude.... ha!

not like you can a rwd car. end of story...

you can't sustain a drift in a fwd car. you can only hold it as long as the momentum stays. you can't hold it like a rwd car with your foot in it.

you can sustain the momentum by having four midgets pushing the car sideways!

END OF STATEMENT!
---- feels like i'm in programming class... hahaha


if (fwd_momentum != req_speed)
{
midget_count++;
midgetpush_func();
}

i often wonder why i bother sometimes... :rolleyes:

its funny to mess around with internet drifters! this drifting forum is a mess anyways... hahaha

well, considering i own a prelude... yeah...

there's far too much smack that gets talked in the drifting forum, and it's generally by people who pretend like they're totally into it, and then someone comes in and gets super technical, and the guy who's "all into drifting" gets mad b/c he got schooled by someone who actually knows what's up...

drifting in the Prelude is possible....in wet turf or in snow :grinno: . i can drift in my dad's Accord (92'), i dunno about drifting in my dad's car now...i hear alot of sqeaking..LOTS...well...if u drift on the prelude, your backs brakes will break, not bRAKE, brEAK. my friend drifted and he broke his left rotor and brakes...so if i were u, i wouldnt do it.

Oh man, that sucks, I wanna try drifting, but now that you can't really drift a fwd car, that just breaks me heart..

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you can't sustain a drift in a fwd car. QUOTE]



Not exactly true. if you are good enough and have enough speed into the corner you can.

Oh man, that sucks, I wanna try drifting, but now that you can't really drift a fwd car, that just breaks me heart..

suck it up and get a RWD car then. is that so hard?

snow drifting is not drifting.

FF vs. FR debate is 100% pointless. it will go nowhere. do not start this debate, or i will lock this thread.

My suggestion then, would be that if you really want to get into drifting as a hobby/sport, go by a RWD sports car. If it is just a passing fancy, you can have fun enough in an FF car, however if you change your mind and decide want RWD later, the techniques you learned for drifting FF, will be practically useless for drifting RWD.

it doesnt matter what kind of driving u want to do, rwd is the way to go. drifting can get really expensive buying tires all the time, but it is really fun.
Quote-Not exactly true. if you are good enough and have enough speed into the corner you can.

Wrong. dont talk about it if u dont know about it. without the wheels turning in back, u CANNOT keep the drift up after the momentum goes. the car will just stop

Wrong. dont talk about it if u dont know about it. without the wheels turning in back, u CANNOT keep the drift up after the momentum goes. the car will just stop

Wait a second. If you have enough speed, one can assume you have enough momentum. Besides, who said anything about keeping it up after the momentum goes?

do not start this debate, or i will lock this thread.

last chance.

suck it up and get a RWD car then. is that so hard?

snow drifting is not drifting.

FF vs. FR debate is 100% pointless. it will go nowhere. do not start this debate, or i will lock this thread.


Yes, yes it is. I love my Prelude, I could never get rid of it (for now anyway) and even if I wanted another car... well, I'm 16. You do the math.

S13_Iketani, with all do respect, nobody was debating that
I was simply making a remark about the content of the sentence alone. If one has enough momentum, they won't stop, if they did stop - they didn't have enough momentum. It's as easy as that.

the point though, with fwd, is that you can't keep that momentum up by stepping on the gas. the momentum goes away in a fwd car. then the rear end falls back into line b/c the tires catch up/slow down to the speed of the car...
so you can't "endlessly" hold a fwd car in a drift around a corner (without a ton of effort) compared to a rwd car.
fwd drifting (ass dragging) only last as long as your momentum, which ends. it's physics, there's no 2 ways about it.
rwd drifting lasts as long as you've got the wheel turned to opposite lock and your foot is on the gas (i know it's more complicated than that, but hey...)

Well in that particular method, yes - it is basically powersliding, and no a FF car can not do this, but there's many other ways other than the power-on method which is commonly (if not too commonly credited, as though it were the only way) used for drifting an RWD car. Anyway the point I was making, that if the purpose was to keep momentum, then you'd have to enter with enough speed to keep momentum up, otherwise you hadn't started with enough momentum.
If you want to debate momentum, I guess you could do so here. If you want to argue FF vs. RWD advantages/disadvantages PM me, as we already have too much on that topic cluttering up this forum (that's what Ikey meant by "this debate")

what about the wheels spinning up front? its not like they stop, unless your a fucktard and left foot brake the car into a skid. fact is, momentum is proportional to your speed, the more speed, the more your gonna eat dirt, the less, the less you can drift well. i "drift" a 97 accord. the fact is, you can drift without the ebrake, i do it, and you can get the front wheels spinning which have the same coefficient of friction as rear wheels spinning which in the end means spinning wheels pulling or pushing the car forward. the fact is, both are two COMPLETELY different ways of drifting. you wanna drift, get an s14. i mean quality drifting. if you do more auto cross type stuff which i do in my accord, then get the prelude. all i know is that i want that damn h22!!!

uhhh, are we gonna start THIS again?

uhhh, are we gonna start THIS again?

That was my thought. Honestly...If drifiting is what you want then get RWD if it isn't a Prelude is a sweet car, awesome handling and looks great. Just figure out what your priorities are first.

whats does spinning the front wheels have to do with anything? if anything thats dumb because the control of the car through the turn is all in the front wheels, which I believe is one reason that AWD drifting is much harder(although thats just what I've heard, no experience in it) although the direction the front wheels are turned still controls the car, so why would you spin the front tires while the rear are just locked up and sliding sideways?

and if you do autocross, get an rx-7, end of discussion :) just don't reck it or anything, they are rare enough!

the back wheels aren't locked up, the spinning caused enough traction to be lost to cause the front to slide a little, while pulling the car around the turn. to get the back to spin a good deal, you need weight transfer and over steering to swing the rear out, once that has lost traction, the action of the spinning wheels pulls the car into a slide.

sorry, forgot this: that is if you don't like to drag your ass around with the ebrake slowing yourself down tremendously. i don't use the ebrake. its hard to do, but i manage.

I see preludes as more sophisticated touring cars than real roudy sports cars. They are neat looking. Honda's build quality always impresses me, and their 4cyl's are as good as the next company's.

honda makes some of the best piston rings, and if hondas weren't good quality at a cheap price, the civic wouldn't be the number one mod/rice car. might be something like the neon, i dunno. go with the prelude for stuff other than real drifting. what kind of drifting to you want to do? i guess it depends on that question. that H22 engine is a well built machine too (i did say i wanted it, lol)

ummm... I don't know about you guys... but
HON-duh's quality is going to hell as the prices go up! My fiancee has a '99 Civic sedan and I already have problems with the boots and joints, tranny sucks! Her brother has a '02 Coupe and is having the same problems! Some guy at my work has the '99 Si and already had to change his boots twice!!!

maybe they are going to crap, i wouldn't know about the newer cars. i actualy think they at least look a whole lot worse. i don't understand why they didn't take the TL or TSX and just make that the new accord... and isn't honda now integrating the emissions more tightly, something like that?

yea I heard somewhere that honda isn't stressing reliability/quality as much anymore, could be wrong, just something I heard

I guess also the 'new' RWD DRIFT scene kinda took sales away from Newest Si... sales are really bad cus kids are getting rid of their Civics and jumping on the bandwagon to buy 240sx' and Rx7's... that's why prices on those cars are rising so high! LoL... i sold my '93 240sx to some dumb kid for $3,500 (w/o the strut-bar and SILVIA steering wheel of course)!

there aren't a lot of people jumping the rx-7 bandwagon... well in comparison to the 240. because most people don't know a thing about a rotary engine, plus the well known drifters tend to have S13/S14/S15 240/180/Silvia whatever, and not rx-7's expect for the guys that have 3rd gen rx-7's, but those are considerably more than an S13 or S14 even after an SR20 swap.

Yeah, I don't really like the new Civics. Honda removed both reasons to buy them (tunable motor, dual wishbones f/r). Plus the styling of the coupe is forgettable, unlike the almost too perfect look of the mid-nineties civics. I LOVE the new Si's interior. That shifter is the coolest thing since, well, Alfa Romeo's.

maybe honda will make a cheap rwd sports compact car that meets the goals of the drift kids hmmmm

Why? Honda already has it's sports cars... there wouldn't be any money in making a drifting car... too expensive new.

yea honda will just stick with FWD sports cars for the time being, maybe 5 years from now something RWD will come from them that isn't as expensive as the S2000

I think Honda is placing more emphasis on selling their economy cars and midsize sedans to Ma and Pa America than selling hot hatches to Joe Performance.

Honda is not going to tool up a new platform, new transmission, new rear end, and new rear suspension just because a few hundred potential new Civic coupe buyers defect to buying used Nissans and Mazdas.

IMO I think that every 16 year old going for a new license should have to pass some sort of Driver Training course like this one.Just to let them know what its like to be in a situation like this, and of course the best way to get out of it.

I realize this is "Artificial Drift" but hey some is better than none right


http://www.trcpg.com/Skid_Car_System.htm


http://www.skidcar.com/


An important element of our Driver Training Program is the SkidCar System, an advanced, computer-controlled driver training tool that can dramatically improve driving skills.

The SkidCar System is a hydraulically-controlled unit mounted to the suspension on the training vehicle that exactly duplicates the loss of tire traction at very low speeds (6 to 25 mph). Using an electro-hydraulic pump, the mechanism reduces traction by raising or lowering the vehicle's tires from the road, duplicating hazardous driving conditions such as ice, snow, rain, or oil- or gas-slickened roads. This low-speed training tool teaches drivers how to avoid skids and loss of control. It has become a critical component of many public safety and low enforcement driver training programs. From inside the car, the instructor can control the system's 20 different traction settings that duplicate a full range of hazardous driving conditions, and instantly lowers the tires to full contact with the road surface.

That shifter is the coolest thing since, well, Alfa Romeo's.

No, that shifter is the coolest thing since the Honda N600. (or the Citroen 2cv, or DKW 3=6) Which featured the same "umbrella" type shift setup.

Um, how is drifting in the snow, dirt or otherwise low traction surface not considered drifting?

yea honda will just stick with FWD sports cars for the time being, maybe 5 years from now something RWD will come from them that isn't as expensive as the S2000

FWD Sports cars? A Paradox?

The ITR and the Civic-R are FF "sporty" econobox's, but I wouldnt dare say that they are sports cars. (Even though i love the ITR)

FWD Sports cars? A Paradox?

No paradox, just a combination that's hard to get right. The SAAB Sonnets and DKW Monzas were more "pure sportscar" than today's sportscars, and they were front wheel drivers.

Woah, trippy. My friend has been posting with my ID. I couldn't figure out why I had a new sig and I really couldn't remember making a few of these posts. WACKY.

I think Honda is placing more emphasis on selling their economy cars and midsize sedans to Ma and Pa America than selling hot hatches to Joe Performance.

Honda is not going to tool up a new platform, new transmission, new rear end, and new rear suspension just because a few hundred potential new Civic coupe buyers defect to buying used Nissans and Mazdas.

Well put.

you guys are talking about the same thing momentum and speed into the corner... both is not gona work. If you ever see drifting like the pro's do it dont expect to do the same thing in a FF.

My bad Eric. I got my own account now, so there won't be any more 'o that.

Heh heh, sweet. I think I might buy that 318is...

I think the ITR is a pure-sports car for the poor man...

No, a Miata is. Sports cars have two seats, are traditionally rear wheel drive (kudos to 2strokebloke for mentioning the Saab Sonnet), and give up utility for driving enjoyment. Hell, it wasn't until the 70's that hardcore sports car guys accepted the idea that sports cars could have HARDTOPS.

And what are you smoking - Integra for the poor man? Integras have one of the highest resale values in their class, with newer models sometimes pricing themselves two classes up on any other like vehicles.

When a 95 Camaro Z28 is $3500 and a same condition Integra GSR is $5200 there's something DRASTICALLY wrong.

Don't knock it layla, it worked.

I'm diggin' the GIF 1viadrft. Hehe...

Bunta what are you gonna do with 3 bimmers?

Layla:
I didn't clarify.... but I meant the '91-'00 model...
A few thousand compared to a $30,000 sports car? I think a GSR or ITR/ITR conversion is well worth it! I mean you speak the truth when you say it's not a pure-sports car... but c'mon: the cars are cool (for a Hon-duh)!
MIATA's? I'm sorry... but they remind me (looks) of a BARBIE car....

^If you only wanted power, could you put a v8 into an integra? I didnt think so.

did anyone see the funny car integra with a v8 in it?

no.

Here's the 4,000HP integra...

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0202tur_extremeedge/