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Drifter S*E*
12-07-2003, 11:58 AM
JDMDrft you are hard headed I told you that I had A 1995 Ford Probe with 1998 suburban V6 swap. Now in order to do this I had to get My uncle to transplant the entire drive train of the suburban to the Probe which means that my probe was rear wheel drive and had the power to really get up.I tighten the suspension up to keep the engine from coming in contact with the ground. then we we put titanium inserts in to the chasis to support the weight of the V6. I really wanted to drag the car at first but the drifting scene caught my eyes, so I just started drift in parking lots then one day I was driving to school and a school bus rear ended me at a stop light and my suburban/Probe was totalled.
Now I forgive you JDMDrft you were under the impression that my probe was stock and front wheel drive.Trust me I will never be a ricer mainly because here in Virginia Beach , Virginia there are too many ricers. on the 240sx forum th only reason I lashed out at 240sx owners was to get them to defend ther cars and give there opinions and facts on the car. Now the the crazy part is my father just baught my a 1991 Nissan 240sx with a KA24det motor in it thats the twin cam if you didnt know.ITs red with white rims tein super street suspension 7piont roll cage.the previous owner did this stuff to it I cant afford to modify it because my job sucks ass and my insurance money hasnt come in yet for my Probe. But you cant talk too much trash having a 1991 Bronco!!
Now I forgive you JDMDrft you were under the impression that my probe was stock and front wheel drive.Trust me I will never be a ricer mainly because here in Virginia Beach , Virginia there are too many ricers. on the 240sx forum th only reason I lashed out at 240sx owners was to get them to defend ther cars and give there opinions and facts on the car. Now the the crazy part is my father just baught my a 1991 Nissan 240sx with a KA24det motor in it thats the twin cam if you didnt know.ITs red with white rims tein super street suspension 7piont roll cage.the previous owner did this stuff to it I cant afford to modify it because my job sucks ass and my insurance money hasnt come in yet for my Probe. But you cant talk too much trash having a 1991 Bronco!!
JDMDrft
12-07-2003, 05:49 PM
JDMDrft you are hard headed I told you that I had A 1995 Ford Probe with 1998 suburban V6 swap. Now in order to do this I had to get My uncle to transplant the entire drive train of the suburban to the Probe which means that my probe was rear wheel drive and had the power to really get up.I tighten the suspension up to keep the engine from coming in contact with the ground. then we we put titanium inserts in to the chasis to support the weight of the V6. I really wanted to drag the car at first but the drifting scene caught my eyes, so I just started drift in parking lots then one day I was driving to school and a school bus rear ended me at a stop light and my suburban/Probe was totalled.
Now I forgive you JDMDrft you were under the impression that my probe was stock and front wheel drive.Trust me I will never be a ricer mainly because here in Virginia Beach , Virginia there are too many ricers. on the 240sx forum th only reason I lashed out at 240sx owners was to get them to defend ther cars and give there opinions and facts on the car. Now the the crazy part is my father just baught my a 1991 Nissan 240sx with a KA24det motor in it thats the twin cam if you didnt know.ITs red with white rims tein super street suspension 7piont roll cage.the previous owner did this stuff to it I cant afford to modify it because my job sucks ass and my insurance money hasnt come in yet for my Probe. But you cant talk too much trash having a 1991 Bronco!!
That must have been some shit trying to fit a suburban drive train into your probe and converting it to rwd. wouldnt the rear end still be a little to big to fit under the probe? I'd like to hear more details about how you did that cause it sounds kinda wierd and I've never heard about such a function. Are you saying that owning a bronco makes me a ricer? thats fawked up. I admit I've never owned a japanese car in my life but I still know alot. Right now me and a friend are working on a 67 le manz with the 440 and triple deuce carburaters and I think that after we finish that project I'm gonna start looking for a Zenki 240 to build up with a KA-T
Now I forgive you JDMDrft you were under the impression that my probe was stock and front wheel drive.Trust me I will never be a ricer mainly because here in Virginia Beach , Virginia there are too many ricers. on the 240sx forum th only reason I lashed out at 240sx owners was to get them to defend ther cars and give there opinions and facts on the car. Now the the crazy part is my father just baught my a 1991 Nissan 240sx with a KA24det motor in it thats the twin cam if you didnt know.ITs red with white rims tein super street suspension 7piont roll cage.the previous owner did this stuff to it I cant afford to modify it because my job sucks ass and my insurance money hasnt come in yet for my Probe. But you cant talk too much trash having a 1991 Bronco!!
That must have been some shit trying to fit a suburban drive train into your probe and converting it to rwd. wouldnt the rear end still be a little to big to fit under the probe? I'd like to hear more details about how you did that cause it sounds kinda wierd and I've never heard about such a function. Are you saying that owning a bronco makes me a ricer? thats fawked up. I admit I've never owned a japanese car in my life but I still know alot. Right now me and a friend are working on a 67 le manz with the 440 and triple deuce carburaters and I think that after we finish that project I'm gonna start looking for a Zenki 240 to build up with a KA-T
JDMDrft
12-07-2003, 07:17 PM
wait I'm not done...is it just me or are suburbans not 4wd? That adds another complication to your whole suburban-probe swap. Prove me wrong but I'm pretty sure that is impossible
RACER D12
12-07-2003, 07:43 PM
This whole probe suburban thing is kinda odd, do you have any pic's? because if you did really do this then it sounds interesting.
Drifter S*E*
12-07-2003, 07:57 PM
The 1998 Suburban LS is RWD or at least the wrecked one I found was.
the probes engine bay is very small but the swap could be done, my uncle who helped me is a master at this stuff, he is actually in the navy and machines parts for the aircraft carriers so he was able to build new engine mounts and widen the front chasis by three inches.The titanium inserts he actually stole off base(maybe I shouldnt of said)any way we welded those in to the chasis to prevent it from breaking from the huge amounts of torque the new V6 has.We bought an after market tein super street suspension and put rubbers between the coils to make it really really stiff.the drive shaft had to be cut then we bought a new U-joint for the new angle it was in.we also put 12 inch brake rotors on but when we tried to put the stock rims back they wouldnt fit over the brakes so we bought 17inch rims and perelli rubber(I think thats how you spell perelli). the car stock was 2,766 lbs and after the mods it was
3,390 lbs but the performance increased a lot. the 1/4 mile went from
17.556 secs to 13.987 secs, those were the best times. Its driftablity was so so it was hard to start the drift but easy to hold it through out the turns. The car once modified had no a/c no heat and the battery and fuse box were moved to the back of the car moving the fuse box was the hardest part in the entire conversion.
the probes engine bay is very small but the swap could be done, my uncle who helped me is a master at this stuff, he is actually in the navy and machines parts for the aircraft carriers so he was able to build new engine mounts and widen the front chasis by three inches.The titanium inserts he actually stole off base(maybe I shouldnt of said)any way we welded those in to the chasis to prevent it from breaking from the huge amounts of torque the new V6 has.We bought an after market tein super street suspension and put rubbers between the coils to make it really really stiff.the drive shaft had to be cut then we bought a new U-joint for the new angle it was in.we also put 12 inch brake rotors on but when we tried to put the stock rims back they wouldnt fit over the brakes so we bought 17inch rims and perelli rubber(I think thats how you spell perelli). the car stock was 2,766 lbs and after the mods it was
3,390 lbs but the performance increased a lot. the 1/4 mile went from
17.556 secs to 13.987 secs, those were the best times. Its driftablity was so so it was hard to start the drift but easy to hold it through out the turns. The car once modified had no a/c no heat and the battery and fuse box were moved to the back of the car moving the fuse box was the hardest part in the entire conversion.
Drifter S*E*
12-07-2003, 08:00 PM
I only have pictures of the wrecked state of the probe!! i'll try to get them to you
89Turbo944
12-07-2003, 08:04 PM
poswt em. Y would you wast the time to make a prob drift. I would have made the saburban drift, now that would be cool. Big old bubr driftin a corner.
Suislide
12-07-2003, 08:33 PM
poswt em. Y would you wast the time to make a prob drift. I would have made the saburban drift, now that would be cool. Big old bubr driftin a corner.
was that a drunk post? :icon16:
i really highly doubt this whole Suburban-Probe thing. post pics proving my doubts wrong, and then maybe...MAYBE...i'll believe you. but as it stands, it sounds kinda pointless and unlikely...but i've been wrong before.
btw...Tein doesn't make suspension for a Ford Probe...so how were you able to get parts for it?
oh, and your dad bought you a 240SX? :lol:
was that a drunk post? :icon16:
i really highly doubt this whole Suburban-Probe thing. post pics proving my doubts wrong, and then maybe...MAYBE...i'll believe you. but as it stands, it sounds kinda pointless and unlikely...but i've been wrong before.
btw...Tein doesn't make suspension for a Ford Probe...so how were you able to get parts for it?
oh, and your dad bought you a 240SX? :lol:
RACER D12
12-07-2003, 08:35 PM
Speaking of odd things drifting does anyone have any pictures of funny things drifting like buses?
Suislide
12-07-2003, 08:37 PM
Speaking of odd things drifting does anyone have any pictures of funny things drifting like buses?
please start a new thread for this instead of taking this one off-topic. :smile:
thanks.
please start a new thread for this instead of taking this one off-topic. :smile:
thanks.
JDMDrft
12-07-2003, 09:13 PM
it sounds a little more convincing but I'm still wondering how you fit the rear end on the probe that wasn't even made to have one. Also, if you widened the front 3 in. how did you get the hood and bumper and other exterior parts back on. LOL, brian that was good about the shocks, thanks for that info.
Layla's Keeper
12-08-2003, 03:34 AM
While we're nitpicking, JDM, how's about showing me which Pontiac option you checked to get a Chrysler engine (440 is a Chryco wedge, man). In 1967, Le Mans came with 400ci Pontiac engines as the top option. It wasn't until 1970 that GM allowed engines above 400ci in the intermediate platform cars.
Hence, in 1970, Buick GS/Olds 442/Pontiac GTO all gained 455ci engines, while Chevelle received the 454.
The RWD Probe, though, is a pretty high level of bullshit in my book, though. I mean, I've seen Triumph Spitfire bodies placed on a K5 Blazer chassis (two wrongs don't make a right) and my grandpa used to have a T-bucket he built on an old Divco milk truck frame, but you're not going to convince me that something as hare-brained as a Ford Probe (a midsize FF coupe built on the Mazda 626 platform) with a Chevy Suburban (that's Chevy's full-size SUV, built on the C1500 series truck frame) driveline was your daily driver.
Sorry, but :bs:
Hence, in 1970, Buick GS/Olds 442/Pontiac GTO all gained 455ci engines, while Chevelle received the 454.
The RWD Probe, though, is a pretty high level of bullshit in my book, though. I mean, I've seen Triumph Spitfire bodies placed on a K5 Blazer chassis (two wrongs don't make a right) and my grandpa used to have a T-bucket he built on an old Divco milk truck frame, but you're not going to convince me that something as hare-brained as a Ford Probe (a midsize FF coupe built on the Mazda 626 platform) with a Chevy Suburban (that's Chevy's full-size SUV, built on the C1500 series truck frame) driveline was your daily driver.
Sorry, but :bs:
flylwsi
12-08-2003, 08:47 AM
JDMDrft you are hard headed I told you that I had A 1995 Ford Probe with 1998 suburban V6 swap. Now in order to do this I had to get My uncle to transplant the entire drive train of the suburban to the Probe which means that my probe was rear wheel drive and had the power to really get up.
never, ever. not in a million years.
you can't do it.
you'll twist the car to pieces. what did you do to get it in? how'd you mod the rear subframe?
what'd you do to brace the entire body of the vehicle.
did you know that suburbans only come with auto trannies? great for drifting... riiiiiiight.
i can't believe that anyone is even entertaining this idea. and of all things, it's not a car drivetrain, but a huge truck, that'd you'd have to narrow the axle for, and that you'd have to cut out most of the floorpan for.
BS.
consider, just for a thought, that you don't have to widen a focus to get a v8 in it, www.kugelkomponents.com. so why did you have to widen the probe?
you're 100% full of it. i guarantee it.
what'd you do to interface the gauges. did you use the stock suspension from the sub, or build your own?
no answers would mean you're a liar... ;)
never, ever. not in a million years.
you can't do it.
you'll twist the car to pieces. what did you do to get it in? how'd you mod the rear subframe?
what'd you do to brace the entire body of the vehicle.
did you know that suburbans only come with auto trannies? great for drifting... riiiiiiight.
i can't believe that anyone is even entertaining this idea. and of all things, it's not a car drivetrain, but a huge truck, that'd you'd have to narrow the axle for, and that you'd have to cut out most of the floorpan for.
BS.
consider, just for a thought, that you don't have to widen a focus to get a v8 in it, www.kugelkomponents.com. so why did you have to widen the probe?
you're 100% full of it. i guarantee it.
what'd you do to interface the gauges. did you use the stock suspension from the sub, or build your own?
no answers would mean you're a liar... ;)
JDMDrft
12-08-2003, 06:21 PM
Sorry about that layla's keeper I made a type-o I meant 400 its out of a 67 GTO so it would be an easy swap but we bought it like that
Drifter S*E*
12-09-2003, 04:04 PM
Trust me I had a lot of time on my hands last summer and as crazy as it sounds it was that hard to plan and assemble the only prolbem for daily driving is that I had no traction control any more. And Im not trying to convence any one that I did this I only brought it because a certain someone brought up the fact that probes cant drift and he is right they cant drift with or with out this conversion it was too much trouble to keep up with the repairs.
flylwsi
12-09-2003, 04:15 PM
maybe we can learn something? right.
do you know anything about probes?
they're unibody cars. there's no where to put your titanium inserts to stiffen the body.
there's no front frame to widen. which is why i asked about the subframe. which would not need widening, b/c a 350 is narrower than the stock motor is "wide" the way it's mounted. so there's no issue there.
rear cv joints? you know the suburban is a solid axle vehicle, right?
what'd you do for suspension? how did you brace the rear end? did your steering rack clear the engine? where'd you route the exhaust?
did you use the stock probe or stock suburban suspension?
explain how stuffing inserts into a frame and not mounting them solidly inside of it (bolts, etc.) would make it stiffer? it'd beat itself to death and fall apart.
if you want to upload pics, you can so here, or you can go to www.cardomain.com and register there. putting pics up is easy, and it tells you how to do it. i'd love to see this GM powered - Ford bodied - Mazda chassis.
do you know anything about probes?
they're unibody cars. there's no where to put your titanium inserts to stiffen the body.
there's no front frame to widen. which is why i asked about the subframe. which would not need widening, b/c a 350 is narrower than the stock motor is "wide" the way it's mounted. so there's no issue there.
rear cv joints? you know the suburban is a solid axle vehicle, right?
what'd you do for suspension? how did you brace the rear end? did your steering rack clear the engine? where'd you route the exhaust?
did you use the stock probe or stock suburban suspension?
explain how stuffing inserts into a frame and not mounting them solidly inside of it (bolts, etc.) would make it stiffer? it'd beat itself to death and fall apart.
if you want to upload pics, you can so here, or you can go to www.cardomain.com and register there. putting pics up is easy, and it tells you how to do it. i'd love to see this GM powered - Ford bodied - Mazda chassis.
JDMDrft
12-09-2003, 06:44 PM
you're right It is off topic but dont you find it interesting? I still want to see this done. BTW what did you post have to do w/ the subject...I hate to be an ass but really
flylwsi
12-09-2003, 07:33 PM
2stroke...
why are you worried?
it's an online forum. people talk.
things come up. it's called a segue.
i think everyone here in this thread wants to know the answers.
do we really need to start a new topic and clog the server more than it already is to ask this guy about his "proburban"?
come on...
don't worry about it.
why are you worried?
it's an online forum. people talk.
things come up. it's called a segue.
i think everyone here in this thread wants to know the answers.
do we really need to start a new topic and clog the server more than it already is to ask this guy about his "proburban"?
come on...
don't worry about it.
JDMDrft
12-09-2003, 07:38 PM
LOL "Proburban" i like that
Suislide
12-09-2003, 11:40 PM
ok, so after a long hard trial, we now have a new, on-topic thread about this proburban. and even though it's not really in the right forum, it concerns the people here and i don't know where else to put it...
so continue. i want to see COLD HARD EVIDENCE of this car, because as it stands, this guy is talking out of his chocolate starfish.
oh, and keep it civilized and flame-less or i'll bring out the padlocks.
btw, i HATE the new "split threads" feature...took me half an hour and 4 messed up threads to split this bloody thing, so be grateful!
so continue. i want to see COLD HARD EVIDENCE of this car, because as it stands, this guy is talking out of his chocolate starfish.
oh, and keep it civilized and flame-less or i'll bring out the padlocks.
btw, i HATE the new "split threads" feature...took me half an hour and 4 messed up threads to split this bloody thing, so be grateful!
flylwsi
12-10-2003, 09:56 AM
ha... thanks for getting it out there for us...
i'd love to see pics...
oh yeah, one more thing.
there was never a suburban with a v6 in it.
the only gm truck that was offered with a v6 was the silverado c/k series... (i know, the s-series trucks too, but i'm talking fullsize)
putting a v6 in a suburban is like putting a 4 cylinder in a hummer. have fun with that...
so did you get some special v6 sub that doesn't move under it's own power b/c it has none?
hmm... :screwy:
i'd love to see pics...
oh yeah, one more thing.
there was never a suburban with a v6 in it.
the only gm truck that was offered with a v6 was the silverado c/k series... (i know, the s-series trucks too, but i'm talking fullsize)
putting a v6 in a suburban is like putting a 4 cylinder in a hummer. have fun with that...
so did you get some special v6 sub that doesn't move under it's own power b/c it has none?
hmm... :screwy:
Suislide
12-10-2003, 03:08 PM
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/uploads/42312/callbs.jpg
that's all i really have to say about this guy and this thread.
that's all i really have to say about this guy and this thread.
freakray
12-10-2003, 03:21 PM
Don't know why I read this thread, but I did.
Now I am truly interested in one thing Drifter S*E*, how the hell did you weld titanium to steel?
Aside from an automotive standpoint, from an engineering standpoint I think this whole deal is a figment of your imagination.
Now I am truly interested in one thing Drifter S*E*, how the hell did you weld titanium to steel?
Aside from an automotive standpoint, from an engineering standpoint I think this whole deal is a figment of your imagination.
Drifter S*E*
12-10-2003, 03:42 PM
This is insane, there is a suburban with a V6 motor, look it up; it was a 1998 suburban LS the top of the line model, leather seats CD power everything three rows of seats stock subs in the back next time Im on here I will get you the VIN number to look up to show that this SUV was actually totalled. As far as pictures I will try to do that car domain thing; Im also going to put my insurance papers up on this forum to to show that the city is paying for the probe and the upgraded V6 its about $9,000 no probe stock or even lightly modified is worth that.
The exhaust was routed directly under the were the floor panels and we made the pipes an oval shape instead of a round shape to get more clearance then they ran right together throught the stock moldings in the rear.We braced the rear suspension because my uncle thought that the stock set up would shread to pieces, the probe body has an under trey with to main bars running to the back of the car the inserts were put in them and then a cap over each of them. we used stock struts and new springs then we put rubbers in the coils to stiffen them up.now I can email someone some pictures easy if get an address.Trust me I have no reason to make any of this stuff up I did the conversion to have fun over the summer and see if it could be done and I never would have brought it up if you wouldnt have asked Im not trying to impress any one on this forum, you guys.......I repeat YOU GUYS pressed the issue!! not me, take the the truth for what it is.........THE TRUTH! But I do enjoy you guys trip in over this whole probe suburban thing. I can under stand were certain things dont add up its crazy I still dont under stand alot of what my uncle did to the car but it is interesting isnt it.
The exhaust was routed directly under the were the floor panels and we made the pipes an oval shape instead of a round shape to get more clearance then they ran right together throught the stock moldings in the rear.We braced the rear suspension because my uncle thought that the stock set up would shread to pieces, the probe body has an under trey with to main bars running to the back of the car the inserts were put in them and then a cap over each of them. we used stock struts and new springs then we put rubbers in the coils to stiffen them up.now I can email someone some pictures easy if get an address.Trust me I have no reason to make any of this stuff up I did the conversion to have fun over the summer and see if it could be done and I never would have brought it up if you wouldnt have asked Im not trying to impress any one on this forum, you guys.......I repeat YOU GUYS pressed the issue!! not me, take the the truth for what it is.........THE TRUTH! But I do enjoy you guys trip in over this whole probe suburban thing. I can under stand were certain things dont add up its crazy I still dont under stand alot of what my uncle did to the car but it is interesting isnt it.
Drifter S*E*
12-10-2003, 03:46 PM
Oh about the titanium being welded to steel I said that wrong it was the slots that held them into place that was actually weld onto the car. common sense should have told you that little bit thats why the car vibrated so much like I told you before.
flylwsi
12-10-2003, 04:12 PM
why the hell would chevy put a v6 into their top of the line suburban?
you're on crack. seriously. they had a 350 or a 454 in them.
the exhaust went under the floor, which would give you ZERO clearance under the car.
i'm sure you'll get an addy to email to. but not from me. i happen to know the truth... sorry. you're a liar.
the stock rear setup is control arms in the rear, or a lower arm with a strut. so how did you adapt it to the suburban solid rear axle? stock coils with that axle? you'd sit on the ground. the probe wasn't made for that.
what did you do to strengthen the body? did you build a rear subframe?
hell, i gave you the link to kugel, where you could bolster your lie with the things they did with the focus. and you haven't. you're lying.
get it over with. admit it. you're going to look alot better if you do it now instead of dragging it out...
i can't wait to see what happens when dorikin reads this... hehe
you're on crack. seriously. they had a 350 or a 454 in them.
the exhaust went under the floor, which would give you ZERO clearance under the car.
i'm sure you'll get an addy to email to. but not from me. i happen to know the truth... sorry. you're a liar.
the stock rear setup is control arms in the rear, or a lower arm with a strut. so how did you adapt it to the suburban solid rear axle? stock coils with that axle? you'd sit on the ground. the probe wasn't made for that.
what did you do to strengthen the body? did you build a rear subframe?
hell, i gave you the link to kugel, where you could bolster your lie with the things they did with the focus. and you haven't. you're lying.
get it over with. admit it. you're going to look alot better if you do it now instead of dragging it out...
i can't wait to see what happens when dorikin reads this... hehe
freakray
12-10-2003, 06:44 PM
Oh about the titanium being welded to steel I said that wrong it was the slots that held them into place that was actually weld onto the car. common sense should have told you that little bit thats why the car vibrated so much like I told you before.
Okay, now why don't you dig yourself a deeper hole?
How do you weld a slot?
A slot is, in engineering practices, a hollow or rectangular hole, how the hell do you weld a hole?
Let's cut the bullshit, I am an engineer with a background in automotive tooling and fabrication.
The only way you would be able to add titanium stiffeners to the frame would be to bolt them in place, this would not give you as much strength as welding steel stiffeners in place.
With the amount of torque and vibration you're talking about the bolts would literally vibrate and tear their way out of the steel that they are in anyway.
How did you adapt the Probe chassis to allow a rear wheel drive train to be fitted?
How much did you have to narrow the Suburban's axle to fit the wheels in the wheel arches?
Like Fly said, give it up.
Okay, now why don't you dig yourself a deeper hole?
How do you weld a slot?
A slot is, in engineering practices, a hollow or rectangular hole, how the hell do you weld a hole?
Let's cut the bullshit, I am an engineer with a background in automotive tooling and fabrication.
The only way you would be able to add titanium stiffeners to the frame would be to bolt them in place, this would not give you as much strength as welding steel stiffeners in place.
With the amount of torque and vibration you're talking about the bolts would literally vibrate and tear their way out of the steel that they are in anyway.
How did you adapt the Probe chassis to allow a rear wheel drive train to be fitted?
How much did you have to narrow the Suburban's axle to fit the wheels in the wheel arches?
Like Fly said, give it up.
JDMDrft
12-10-2003, 07:18 PM
I just wnated to say thanks brian for splitting the forum...and I'm still a no believer, your up against alot here so why don't get your uncle to get on and talk since he supposedly did most of the work
Drifter S*E*
12-12-2003, 02:47 PM
You know maybe you guys are right, maybe my mind was telling me wrong....maybe my cognition cells are doing what my imaginative cells are suppose to do. I dont know....Any how Im through, finished, done tired of explaining the probe urban...myth.
But seriously I do need you guys help, I got my new 240sx and I need advice on how to begin to build it in to a drift machine. I have about $5,897.65 in the bank to spend on the car.So the question is, for about $6000 what can I do to the 240 to get me drifting right, ASAP?
The car all ready has tein springs, 7point roll cage and 16in rims.the previous owner did that to the car. it is the coupe version.This thing has no stereo no power windows no sunroof no power locks no a/c unit, it is as stock as you're going to get. Please hook me up with some useful info about what I can do to the car..
But seriously I do need you guys help, I got my new 240sx and I need advice on how to begin to build it in to a drift machine. I have about $5,897.65 in the bank to spend on the car.So the question is, for about $6000 what can I do to the 240 to get me drifting right, ASAP?
The car all ready has tein springs, 7point roll cage and 16in rims.the previous owner did that to the car. it is the coupe version.This thing has no stereo no power windows no sunroof no power locks no a/c unit, it is as stock as you're going to get. Please hook me up with some useful info about what I can do to the car..
JDMDrft
12-12-2003, 04:08 PM
I knew it!
Buy an sr20 or ca18 motor and spend the rest of you money on teins and other suspension upgrades oh yea an exhaust would be good too
Buy an sr20 or ca18 motor and spend the rest of you money on teins and other suspension upgrades oh yea an exhaust would be good too
flylwsi
12-13-2003, 10:13 AM
wow...
i'm so surprised that it isn't a real vehicle... :rolleyes:
like jdmdrft said, you can swap an sr20det in there, or you can build/turbo the k24.
some suspension, and you're good to go...
get an LSD in there, and you can drift with the stock motor.
most people will tell you to do suspension first, as you'll be really surprised by how much you can do with the stock motor on upgraded suspension.
so first, suspension and LSD. then motor.
and one more thing... ;)
i believe... you got owned...
http://www.clubtsx.com/bbs/attachment.php?attachmentid=85&stc=1
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/marie.gillen/o2.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid90/p378812ba7c96375e844594a4ded4516b/fa718a2f.jpg
http://www.psylence.com/Junk/owned2.jpg
http://www.aibq.com/apic/owned/owned%20cop.jpg
http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/ownedcaughtintheact-rrramsey.jpg
http://www.nexus-point.net/forums/owned-rally.jpg
i think that about covers it.. :lol2:
i'm so surprised that it isn't a real vehicle... :rolleyes:
like jdmdrft said, you can swap an sr20det in there, or you can build/turbo the k24.
some suspension, and you're good to go...
get an LSD in there, and you can drift with the stock motor.
most people will tell you to do suspension first, as you'll be really surprised by how much you can do with the stock motor on upgraded suspension.
so first, suspension and LSD. then motor.
and one more thing... ;)
i believe... you got owned...
http://www.clubtsx.com/bbs/attachment.php?attachmentid=85&stc=1
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/marie.gillen/o2.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid90/p378812ba7c96375e844594a4ded4516b/fa718a2f.jpg
http://www.psylence.com/Junk/owned2.jpg
http://www.aibq.com/apic/owned/owned%20cop.jpg
http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/ownedcaughtintheact-rrramsey.jpg
http://www.nexus-point.net/forums/owned-rally.jpg
i think that about covers it.. :lol2:
Suislide
12-13-2003, 11:55 AM
so you admit all that was bullshit...
and then expect us to help you with your 240SX?
why would i want to help you after you blatantly lied to me over and over again? you seem to have no respect for us to lie to us like that, so why should we have respect for you?
and how are we to believe that this 240SX actually exists and isn't yet another figment of your runaway imagination?
sorry dude. no help from me. :grinno:
and then expect us to help you with your 240SX?
why would i want to help you after you blatantly lied to me over and over again? you seem to have no respect for us to lie to us like that, so why should we have respect for you?
and how are we to believe that this 240SX actually exists and isn't yet another figment of your runaway imagination?
sorry dude. no help from me. :grinno:
JDMDrft
12-13-2003, 04:19 PM
lol those were some funny pics...BTW the ka-t is actually the drag racing motor, the sr20 is lighter and It will give you better weight distribution. I agree with brian so I dont know why I'm helping you
Drifter S*E*
12-13-2003, 09:11 PM
I admit nothing I was just trying to get off the subject the truth is I was wrong about one thing the LS suburban ( I never did any research on that SUV) you guys were right, they only made the V8 motors for the suburban.Meaning that the guy who had (my suburban) it before I did must have had more than one accident in it. maybe the first accident the motor was damaged and he order a V6 motor to replace the broke V8.( this is all speculation but its all I could come up with.) I mean the suburban had four captain seats and regular suburbans have two captain seats and two rows of bench seats. it had four subs in there that looked like they may have been stock but the they must have done a real good job custom installing them in the truck.
Thanks to those who gave me the little bit of info on the 240sx and I do have one last point on the probe/urban thing.
The fact is the conversion was actually done, because I wasnt there for over half the work I cant explain every thing that happened.In fact I am just telling about what someone else did, I just put the money up to have it done.( I originally took too much credit for it when I was talking on this forum) So I was the wrong person to explain what was done.
The only reason I am saying this much is I dont want to discredit My uncle from the hard work he did to that car. I respect a man who would spend nearly 500 hours on a car caonversion just because a 16 year old kid thinks it could be done, you guys should at least give my uncle (Patrick Lewis) credit for the job he did the fact is a 1995 Ford Probe SE had a 3.5 V6 motor conversion (not from a suburban) with a suburban transmission system that car did exsist for 32 days before a school bus rear ended me at a stop light.
After all that my uncle wants to do it again (the right way) so based on what you do know about the car what should he do differently next time around?
I was thinking taking a bigger motor out of an old BMW, 1980s more than likely.......or maybe a the V6 out of a Honda Oddesy because I saw a wrecked one at a junk yard two days ago.I would like to get you guys opinions about this conversion.And if you would like to give my uncle a call to talk about the conversion his number is 757-714-0175.Any info is welcome!!
Thanks to those who gave me the little bit of info on the 240sx and I do have one last point on the probe/urban thing.
The fact is the conversion was actually done, because I wasnt there for over half the work I cant explain every thing that happened.In fact I am just telling about what someone else did, I just put the money up to have it done.( I originally took too much credit for it when I was talking on this forum) So I was the wrong person to explain what was done.
The only reason I am saying this much is I dont want to discredit My uncle from the hard work he did to that car. I respect a man who would spend nearly 500 hours on a car caonversion just because a 16 year old kid thinks it could be done, you guys should at least give my uncle (Patrick Lewis) credit for the job he did the fact is a 1995 Ford Probe SE had a 3.5 V6 motor conversion (not from a suburban) with a suburban transmission system that car did exsist for 32 days before a school bus rear ended me at a stop light.
After all that my uncle wants to do it again (the right way) so based on what you do know about the car what should he do differently next time around?
I was thinking taking a bigger motor out of an old BMW, 1980s more than likely.......or maybe a the V6 out of a Honda Oddesy because I saw a wrecked one at a junk yard two days ago.I would like to get you guys opinions about this conversion.And if you would like to give my uncle a call to talk about the conversion his number is 757-714-0175.Any info is welcome!!
freakray
12-13-2003, 11:39 PM
Oh come on, you have an excuse to cover everything don't you?
Now somebody did an engine swap and replaced a V8 with a V6?
What, was he trying to get rid of some power so he could have an even slower SUV?
Now somebody did an engine swap and replaced a V8 with a V6?
What, was he trying to get rid of some power so he could have an even slower SUV?
2strokebloke
12-13-2003, 11:58 PM
Wow this is stupid. If only they had listened to my advice and had taken it to PMs...
I feel my brain collapsing.
I feel my brain collapsing.
JDMDrft
12-14-2003, 03:16 PM
stay the fuck out of this thread them 2stroke...u really need to stop bsing drifterse if I was in the same room as you are right now I'd slap you
Drifter S*E*
12-14-2003, 06:42 PM
All I can say is call Patrick's number and talk to him. If he says he doesnt know what you are talking about then I am a liar. but if he goes in to detail about the conversion then stop dog in me out and drop it! This guy really knows what he is talking about.How much is it going to hurt you to call, huh huh com 'on.Are you scared that I just might be telling the truth and all the shit you ve been talking would have been in vain huh huh bitch!!! make the call ass hole make the call any one make the call and come back on this forum and tell the others I was telling the truth!!I gave you guys the number, call!!! (757) 714-0175 call him tell him you know Julian and you want to know more about what was done to the Probe.
flylwsi
12-14-2003, 10:25 PM
I just might be telling the truth and all the shit you ve been talking would have been in vain huh huh bitch!!! make the call ass hole
yeah, b/c that was mature. :rolleyes:
all the shit we've been talking...
hard facts?
i was thinking again, if you put in Ti "braces", why not just bolt them to the car? b/c sitting in the frame rails bouncing around means no support...hmm...
why should we call this guy for you?
why don't you just fess up?
why the hell would they put a v6 into it after a wreck?
are you serious?
what size was the v6?
what rear end? what trans? modified drive shaft?
we're still on the topic of the thread, this mythical creature you "had"... so where are the pictures at?
i can't believe you're perpetuating a lie like this.
i'll call them tomorrow, and then get some answers...
yeah, b/c that was mature. :rolleyes:
all the shit we've been talking...
hard facts?
i was thinking again, if you put in Ti "braces", why not just bolt them to the car? b/c sitting in the frame rails bouncing around means no support...hmm...
why should we call this guy for you?
why don't you just fess up?
why the hell would they put a v6 into it after a wreck?
are you serious?
what size was the v6?
what rear end? what trans? modified drive shaft?
we're still on the topic of the thread, this mythical creature you "had"... so where are the pictures at?
i can't believe you're perpetuating a lie like this.
i'll call them tomorrow, and then get some answers...
89Turbo944
12-14-2003, 10:35 PM
Kid you are funny. First off you can end this if you give pics. But thats out of the question because the thing does not exist.
Earlier in the thread you admitted to saying a bunch of BS now you are saying its true.
WHERE THE PICS AT??????? PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
If it were up to me i would ban you from this forum on the basis of a bunch of bs. O and by the way mods can do that. In the agreement statment you agreed to not posting any faulse information to your knowledge. And you have done nothing to prove that this is true. So plz stop posting unless its pics of this car.
Earlier in the thread you admitted to saying a bunch of BS now you are saying its true.
WHERE THE PICS AT??????? PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
If it were up to me i would ban you from this forum on the basis of a bunch of bs. O and by the way mods can do that. In the agreement statment you agreed to not posting any faulse information to your knowledge. And you have done nothing to prove that this is true. So plz stop posting unless its pics of this car.
flylwsi
12-14-2003, 10:49 PM
haha...
flylwsi
12-15-2003, 10:37 AM
well...
no answer.
that number is a cell fone.
where does he live at? what city/state?
3.5 V6
out of what?
whatever it is, it won't bolt to a suburban trans. chevy doesn't have a v6 in that size. try again.
no answer.
that number is a cell fone.
where does he live at? what city/state?
3.5 V6
out of what?
whatever it is, it won't bolt to a suburban trans. chevy doesn't have a v6 in that size. try again.
Alldar
12-15-2003, 08:20 PM
god damn thats is some OWNAGE!!!!!!
89Turbo944
12-15-2003, 08:46 PM
The most amazing part about this thread is that he keeps on coming back and giving a littloe more bs everytime. I mean does he actualy beleave his own bs??? Cause they never mad a 3.5 V6, and finding one that mates to a suburban tranny is impossible.
Maby he was in a coma for 32 days and thought he had this car. But y lie anout a Prob, i mean rilly its a Prob.
O ya i forgot to tell you guys about my copnversion. I took a Honda S2000 motor and put it into my firefly. But the S2000 motor was rilly a B18C cause it got into a crash and they put that in. I took the B18C and the S2000 tranny and put em in the firefly. And it drifts nicely!!!
LOSER,
Got owned bad didnt you now, WERE THE PICS AT???? HUH PICS, YOPU SAID YOU HAD EM SO WHERE ARE THEY??? O i forgot its hard to take a pic of a car that dosent exist. My bad:)
Good luck getting help from anyone in www.automotiveforums.com, cause everyone on the board has heard about this and no one is impressed. Time to find a new forum to post your bs.
Maby he was in a coma for 32 days and thought he had this car. But y lie anout a Prob, i mean rilly its a Prob.
O ya i forgot to tell you guys about my copnversion. I took a Honda S2000 motor and put it into my firefly. But the S2000 motor was rilly a B18C cause it got into a crash and they put that in. I took the B18C and the S2000 tranny and put em in the firefly. And it drifts nicely!!!
LOSER,
Got owned bad didnt you now, WERE THE PICS AT???? HUH PICS, YOPU SAID YOU HAD EM SO WHERE ARE THEY??? O i forgot its hard to take a pic of a car that dosent exist. My bad:)
Good luck getting help from anyone in www.automotiveforums.com, cause everyone on the board has heard about this and no one is impressed. Time to find a new forum to post your bs.
JDMDrft
12-16-2003, 05:22 PM
Lol :bricks1: :wtf: :chair: :bs: :slap: :banhim: :owned:
Suislide
12-16-2003, 05:59 PM
the flaming stops here.
Drifter SE, JDMDrft, this applies to you.
this thread will stay open because i want to see hard evidence that this swap actually took place. as of now, you have the credibility of one of my ass hairs and there's still no way i believe any single bit of this sob story. so give us some hard proof or at least sound like you know what you're talking about. it WAS your own damn car...
Drifter SE, JDMDrft, this applies to you.
this thread will stay open because i want to see hard evidence that this swap actually took place. as of now, you have the credibility of one of my ass hairs and there's still no way i believe any single bit of this sob story. so give us some hard proof or at least sound like you know what you're talking about. it WAS your own damn car...
stealthj
12-17-2003, 03:56 AM
go daaamnn!!!
who the fuck has all that time to make up all that bullshit????
i say if you REALLY do have a 240sx, then SELL IT, because i dotn want to own the same cars as some ^(&%$@^%*#@^
and "JDMDRFT" (god i hate that username), you are a LIAR, "KA-T" is not a "drag motor"
GOD DAMN I WANT TO "DIRECTLY ATTACK!"
just once brian?? everyone does it to me!
who the fuck has all that time to make up all that bullshit????
i say if you REALLY do have a 240sx, then SELL IT, because i dotn want to own the same cars as some ^(&%$@^%*#@^
and "JDMDRFT" (god i hate that username), you are a LIAR, "KA-T" is not a "drag motor"
GOD DAMN I WANT TO "DIRECTLY ATTACK!"
just once brian?? everyone does it to me!
JDMDrft
12-17-2003, 07:30 AM
uhhhh the Ka-t is definately a more tourquey motor than the sr-t because it has 400cc more displacement and displacement=tourque I'm not saying the KA-T is THE drag motor for a 240 but it is the better choice
MustangRoadRacer
12-17-2003, 08:17 AM
displacement does not equal torque.
STROKE equals torque.
stroke is only 1 factor of displacement.
STROKE equals torque.
stroke is only 1 factor of displacement.
MustangRoadRacer
12-17-2003, 08:43 AM
and BTW, what does a 7 point roll cage look like.
I've seen 4, 6, 8, and 10.
never seen a 3, 5 or 7.
I've seen 4, 6, 8, and 10.
never seen a 3, 5 or 7.
Drifter S*E*
12-18-2003, 02:49 PM
Has any one called him yet, uhhhh no!!
flylwsi
12-18-2003, 03:01 PM
uh, can you read?
i did. 3 days ago.
and got a voicemail box with no name.
so read back. where does he live? what city/state?
are you blind, or did you conveniently skip that?
page 3. read it again.
answer my questions. quit avoiding.
i did. 3 days ago.
and got a voicemail box with no name.
so read back. where does he live? what city/state?
are you blind, or did you conveniently skip that?
page 3. read it again.
answer my questions. quit avoiding.
kfoote
12-18-2003, 05:30 PM
and BTW, what does a 7 point roll cage look like.
I've seen 4, 6, 8, and 10.
never seen a 3, 5 or 7.
I designed the roll cage in my Miata and in my 944, (6 pt cages for SCCA SSB and ITS, respectively), and would really like to know where the 7th point is as well. This could be a useful chassis stiffening tool that could make its way into some of the other cars I'll be designing cages for.
My guess is that the engine that's in the Probe is either a 2.5L V6 or a 3.0L V6. That would be a pretty easy swap, or non-swap as the case may be. In any case, the tourque that a standard GM V6 puts out is not much more than the 2.2 turbo in the gen I probe put out, and the chassis would be able to handle it.
BTW, I had a 91 Probe GT and designed a set of Willwood front brakes for it. They were on the car for 2 mos before the car was totaled (hit in rear). With 17" wheels there should be no problem with clearance, and I'm sure it would make a fine addition to the Probe V6. PM me if interested.
I am willing to post proof I have a race prepared car, are you?
http://www.ner.org/RR/2003/071203/071203nhisresultsG7.htm
http://www.ner.org/RR/images/narrcoff/pages/dsc_3363.htm
I'm in the red SSB Miata being passed by the (much faster, much less restricted) ITS BMW's
I've seen 4, 6, 8, and 10.
never seen a 3, 5 or 7.
I designed the roll cage in my Miata and in my 944, (6 pt cages for SCCA SSB and ITS, respectively), and would really like to know where the 7th point is as well. This could be a useful chassis stiffening tool that could make its way into some of the other cars I'll be designing cages for.
My guess is that the engine that's in the Probe is either a 2.5L V6 or a 3.0L V6. That would be a pretty easy swap, or non-swap as the case may be. In any case, the tourque that a standard GM V6 puts out is not much more than the 2.2 turbo in the gen I probe put out, and the chassis would be able to handle it.
BTW, I had a 91 Probe GT and designed a set of Willwood front brakes for it. They were on the car for 2 mos before the car was totaled (hit in rear). With 17" wheels there should be no problem with clearance, and I'm sure it would make a fine addition to the Probe V6. PM me if interested.
I am willing to post proof I have a race prepared car, are you?
http://www.ner.org/RR/2003/071203/071203nhisresultsG7.htm
http://www.ner.org/RR/images/narrcoff/pages/dsc_3363.htm
I'm in the red SSB Miata being passed by the (much faster, much less restricted) ITS BMW's
flylwsi
12-18-2003, 05:38 PM
in any case, he's talking about a rwd probe.
nope, not feasible, sorry.
the probe v6 is a 2.5L. it's the klz motor, which, in the japanese version, is a 200hp beast. i've got a friend with one in her mx3... it's like putting an h22 in a civic hatch...
the only way i'd see a 7 point would be if you maybe counted where 2 bars "Y" into the same spot in the middle of something, but if you did that,it'd have to be symmetrical, and do the same on the other side. so then you're back to even #'s. you can't have a cage with an odd number of points that doesn't place extra stress on your chassis. hmm...
myth? busted.
nope, not feasible, sorry.
the probe v6 is a 2.5L. it's the klz motor, which, in the japanese version, is a 200hp beast. i've got a friend with one in her mx3... it's like putting an h22 in a civic hatch...
the only way i'd see a 7 point would be if you maybe counted where 2 bars "Y" into the same spot in the middle of something, but if you did that,it'd have to be symmetrical, and do the same on the other side. so then you're back to even #'s. you can't have a cage with an odd number of points that doesn't place extra stress on your chassis. hmm...
myth? busted.
Racingwannabe
12-18-2003, 11:17 PM
Hi im a newb and I don't know nearly as much as like everyone on this forum cuz ive only been learning about cars for like a year. Even I know that its impossible to do the Proburban thing. Maybe if your a master mechanic or something. Don't sweat it if your wrong, i've been really stupid about things too, like how I told my friend that I wanted to put in a WRX engine into a 1970 porsche 911 and then i forgot that a porsche is RR drivetrain and my friend told me that(doesn't know for sure) everything in the drivetrain would have to be backwards, beacuse the WRX engine is supposed to be in front, so id be flipped around, and maybe the whole drivetrain.
I also want to get a 240sx and race it. I was hoping I could swap a SR20DET into it(with some help of course) because turbocharging a ka engine would be kinda hard wouldn't it? Plus, if im right, wouldnt the car be lighter, smaller engine, and then the wieght balance will be better because then there isnt as much wieght in the front and it will be more even. And that leads to better handling doesn't it? And my final question is: If i wanted a higher output turbo (300ps), what would I have to change so that everything works out in the end. I have almost no idea, but maybe fuel pump, injectors, throttle body, exhaust? Id be great if someone could get back to me on that. My AIM screen name is
L3ThAL1njection.
I also want to get a 240sx and race it. I was hoping I could swap a SR20DET into it(with some help of course) because turbocharging a ka engine would be kinda hard wouldn't it? Plus, if im right, wouldnt the car be lighter, smaller engine, and then the wieght balance will be better because then there isnt as much wieght in the front and it will be more even. And that leads to better handling doesn't it? And my final question is: If i wanted a higher output turbo (300ps), what would I have to change so that everything works out in the end. I have almost no idea, but maybe fuel pump, injectors, throttle body, exhaust? Id be great if someone could get back to me on that. My AIM screen name is
L3ThAL1njection.
kfoote
12-19-2003, 09:13 AM
in any case, he's talking about a rwd probe.
nope, not feasible, sorry.
the probe v6 is a 2.5L. it's the klz motor, which, in the japanese version, is a 200hp beast. i've got a friend with one in her mx3... it's like putting an h22 in a civic hatch...
I believe in 91-93 (late Gen I) Ford also put the 3.0L V6 from the Taurus into the Probe. :biggrin:
I'm not sure, but I believe this is a RWD Ford Probe
http://www.scca.org/amateur/club_racing/runoffs/03results/photos/gt3/9F9B6510.JPG
It finished 4th at the SCCA Runoffs in GT3 this year. Granted, even if it is RWD, it is a full tube frame chassis that has the 2.5L V6 engine from the Probe and a body that looks like that of the Probe, and everything else is changed, but I believe it to be theoretically possible to make a RWD Probe. GT5 has RWD original Minis as well, and I've even seen a RWD GT3 Acura Integra.
It doesn't make the Proburban story believeable, just that it is possible to make a RWD Probe, though not without a LOT more modification than has been mentioned here (which I don't want to mention b/c it could be used as assistance to this story).
nope, not feasible, sorry.
the probe v6 is a 2.5L. it's the klz motor, which, in the japanese version, is a 200hp beast. i've got a friend with one in her mx3... it's like putting an h22 in a civic hatch...
I believe in 91-93 (late Gen I) Ford also put the 3.0L V6 from the Taurus into the Probe. :biggrin:
I'm not sure, but I believe this is a RWD Ford Probe
http://www.scca.org/amateur/club_racing/runoffs/03results/photos/gt3/9F9B6510.JPG
It finished 4th at the SCCA Runoffs in GT3 this year. Granted, even if it is RWD, it is a full tube frame chassis that has the 2.5L V6 engine from the Probe and a body that looks like that of the Probe, and everything else is changed, but I believe it to be theoretically possible to make a RWD Probe. GT5 has RWD original Minis as well, and I've even seen a RWD GT3 Acura Integra.
It doesn't make the Proburban story believeable, just that it is possible to make a RWD Probe, though not without a LOT more modification than has been mentioned here (which I don't want to mention b/c it could be used as assistance to this story).
flylwsi
12-19-2003, 04:56 PM
you're right. it's not impossible.
but the car you've posted is, like you said, a completely custom tube frame car with fiberglass body panels...
per the notes on Speed channel's coverage... these cars are fully custom built with a "silhouette" of the car they're based on.
hardly a probe that's been simply converted to RWD, huh?
i know what you're saying and agree, and i think you agree on what i'm saying. this kid DIDN'T do it.
but the car you've posted is, like you said, a completely custom tube frame car with fiberglass body panels...
per the notes on Speed channel's coverage... these cars are fully custom built with a "silhouette" of the car they're based on.
hardly a probe that's been simply converted to RWD, huh?
i know what you're saying and agree, and i think you agree on what i'm saying. this kid DIDN'T do it.
error2k
12-19-2003, 07:09 PM
Hmmm.. don't want to bust anyone's bubbble, and I dont want to flame.... but... that phone number can't be found by online directory assistance :nono:
flylwsi
12-20-2003, 08:57 AM
i called it. it's a cell phone #.
i got a voice mail, but it was automated, no name on it...
so yeah, if what you're saying is that this kid is lying, yeah, join the club...
i got a voice mail, but it was automated, no name on it...
so yeah, if what you're saying is that this kid is lying, yeah, join the club...
Drifter S*E*
12-20-2003, 08:23 PM
at least you guys went as far to call him.....I can respect that...
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