Snow Drifting?
2of9
11-24-2003, 05:31 PM
well, it snowed up here in Minnesota already. I can drift in the snow!! well sort of, with my dad's 92 Accord...the e-brake is awesome, and the feeling of drifting is fun too. i think i might stop IF it gets too dangerous. well, any snow drifters here? :uhoh:
2strokebloke
11-24-2003, 07:01 PM
You don't need the e-brake, just lift off of the gas at the start of the turn - to correct the oversteer just step on the gas again.
Amish_kid
11-24-2003, 07:31 PM
YEAH BOY!
Man the only thing I like about my car is the fact it's rwd it might be gutless but it still got enough to get sideways in the corners in the snow hmm Man I need my own rwd beater. :(
Man the only thing I like about my car is the fact it's rwd it might be gutless but it still got enough to get sideways in the corners in the snow hmm Man I need my own rwd beater. :(
2of9
11-24-2003, 08:44 PM
drifting in the snow is obsessing. I put on the e-brake and make the front-wheels help me, then turn off the e-brakes. this happens in like 1-2 seconds. my big bro does it. if u leave the e-brake on too long than u'll spin out. the front-wheel drive helps me get out of the spin out (w/e-brake), wich i think is drift, because im goin sideways! :iceslolan
dfdtrumpet
11-24-2003, 08:47 PM
hmmm, gonna hafta try this, we just got our first bit of snow to speak of here...
Timberland65
12-02-2003, 10:17 PM
I love drifting in the snow. It's really the only time that FF cars can actually drift. I do it a couple ways depending on the situation. Most of the time I pop the e-brake real quick and jerk the wheel towards where the corner. If you stay on the gas and work the brake/e-brake you can hold it for a while. Another way is left foot braking, where you stay on the gas and use the brake to help you slide. This way is a bit harder, but it allows you to keep both hands on the wheel. (In case you can't already tell, my car is a FF automatic...)
raysoh8
12-05-2003, 01:04 PM
how do drifters turn the wheel left and right so fast and precise with one hand on the wheel and the other flying to grab the stick and handbrake at the same time? i cant even turn the wheel moving at 5kph!
Suislide
12-05-2003, 04:27 PM
how do drifters turn the wheel left and right so fast and precise with one hand on the wheel and the other flying to grab the stick and handbrake at the same time? i cant even turn the wheel moving at 5kph!
years and YEARS (did i say years?) of practise practise practise. and don't expect to be a super good drifter by e-braking your FF car in the snow. while it is fun, it's no-where NEAR the same as a real drift, and obviousley drifting in the snow is alot easier since the road is slick.
years and YEARS (did i say years?) of practise practise practise. and don't expect to be a super good drifter by e-braking your FF car in the snow. while it is fun, it's no-where NEAR the same as a real drift, and obviousley drifting in the snow is alot easier since the road is slick.
raysoh8
12-06-2003, 08:21 AM
did i mention im a kid and i dont own a car? :p
madbikr007
12-17-2003, 02:55 PM
I love drifting in the snow, here in NJ its snowed twice in the last 2 weeks and it makes for some fun driving. I usually head over to the local pool parking lot which never gets plowed, the first time i tried it was in my dads suburban, lol, i put it in 2wd and had some fun, the next time i tried it in my moms allroad, i habe yet to try it in my porsche tho, as its just awfule in the snow and i have to drive up a hill to get home. Snow is a great place to learn cuz you can "drift" even at low speed. have fun!
2strokebloke
12-17-2003, 06:59 PM
how do drifters turn the wheel left and right so fast and precise with one hand on the wheel and the other flying to grab the stick and handbrake at the same time? i cant even turn the wheel moving at 5kph!
Because you're not supposed to use the ebrake.
Anyway since we're talking about snow, here's a really difficult, but rewarding drifting technique for FF cars (it can be achieved in RWD cars, but you have to use a totally different throttle technique)
It works best in the snow or on ice (for me) because none of my cars have much more than 60hp. However, if you have a FF car capable of doing a real burnout and with a stiff rear anti-roll bar, this technique can be used in dry conditions, probably with results that'd convince the rear wheel drive crowd that FF cars can make legit drifters.
Anyway, here's how it works (if you get confused just look at the illustration I'm providing)
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=503/61447fwdsnowdrift_.jpg
Leftmost picture: heading into a turn, as normal
Center picture: Jam on accelerator to the floor to induce massive understeer. While the car is still heading forward, turn the wheel towards the inside of the curve (red dotted lines represent front wheels turned inward) if understeer is sufficient, the car will continue in the direction it was going prior to you jamming on the gas and turning the wheel.
Rightmost picture: let off of the gas (not completely) the wheels will stop spinning and grip - get ready this is where understeer changes to oversteer, and can be pretty hairy if you don't expect it. The front wheels will grip again! The weight has shifted forward onto the front wheels, which are pointed into the curve, the front end of the car now head the direction of the wheels. Also because the weight has shifted forward, there is less weight on the rear wheels, and the sudden change in direction will cause them to slip and lose traction, they will now want to go to the outside of the curve. Push back down on the gas once the rear wheels have lost bite (but not too fast you don't want understeer again, push down swiftly but smoothly, don't "jam" as before) This will keep you from skidding out of control.
If everything went right, you are still on the road. If your car failed to switch from understeer to oversteer when you let off of the throttle, you ended up off the road on the outside of the curve. If you were unable to get sufficient forward acceleration with the front wheels after the rear end broke loose, you ended up on the outside of the curve, but this time you're going backwards.
The whole and entirely important action with the throttle takes only a couple seconds - longer and you've just screwed up big time - unless you're going really slow. It is possible to drift in this manner at speeds below 20mph. Before you try it on a winding hilly road and total your car and injure yourself, try it in an empty parking lot at very slow speeds - it's hard to learn and it can be dangerous even once you know how.
For FR cars it's far less predictable, but can still work, this may be a way for understeer-happy cars to drift. Going into the curve, let off of the gas, turn the wheel quickly towards the center of the curve (remember for FR -but not RR- throttle off = understeer) you'll probably not have time to point the front wheels exactly where you want them by the time they begin to grip again, so apply power before you finnish steering, you don't need too much or you're just going to end up doing a regular powerslide (I know this technique is less exciting or needed in a rwd car!)
Oh, and don't say I didn't tell you that it can be hard and dangerous! (but then again, using the parking brake going around icy turns isn't exactly safe either)
Because you're not supposed to use the ebrake.
Anyway since we're talking about snow, here's a really difficult, but rewarding drifting technique for FF cars (it can be achieved in RWD cars, but you have to use a totally different throttle technique)
It works best in the snow or on ice (for me) because none of my cars have much more than 60hp. However, if you have a FF car capable of doing a real burnout and with a stiff rear anti-roll bar, this technique can be used in dry conditions, probably with results that'd convince the rear wheel drive crowd that FF cars can make legit drifters.
Anyway, here's how it works (if you get confused just look at the illustration I'm providing)
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=503/61447fwdsnowdrift_.jpg
Leftmost picture: heading into a turn, as normal
Center picture: Jam on accelerator to the floor to induce massive understeer. While the car is still heading forward, turn the wheel towards the inside of the curve (red dotted lines represent front wheels turned inward) if understeer is sufficient, the car will continue in the direction it was going prior to you jamming on the gas and turning the wheel.
Rightmost picture: let off of the gas (not completely) the wheels will stop spinning and grip - get ready this is where understeer changes to oversteer, and can be pretty hairy if you don't expect it. The front wheels will grip again! The weight has shifted forward onto the front wheels, which are pointed into the curve, the front end of the car now head the direction of the wheels. Also because the weight has shifted forward, there is less weight on the rear wheels, and the sudden change in direction will cause them to slip and lose traction, they will now want to go to the outside of the curve. Push back down on the gas once the rear wheels have lost bite (but not too fast you don't want understeer again, push down swiftly but smoothly, don't "jam" as before) This will keep you from skidding out of control.
If everything went right, you are still on the road. If your car failed to switch from understeer to oversteer when you let off of the throttle, you ended up off the road on the outside of the curve. If you were unable to get sufficient forward acceleration with the front wheels after the rear end broke loose, you ended up on the outside of the curve, but this time you're going backwards.
The whole and entirely important action with the throttle takes only a couple seconds - longer and you've just screwed up big time - unless you're going really slow. It is possible to drift in this manner at speeds below 20mph. Before you try it on a winding hilly road and total your car and injure yourself, try it in an empty parking lot at very slow speeds - it's hard to learn and it can be dangerous even once you know how.
For FR cars it's far less predictable, but can still work, this may be a way for understeer-happy cars to drift. Going into the curve, let off of the gas, turn the wheel quickly towards the center of the curve (remember for FR -but not RR- throttle off = understeer) you'll probably not have time to point the front wheels exactly where you want them by the time they begin to grip again, so apply power before you finnish steering, you don't need too much or you're just going to end up doing a regular powerslide (I know this technique is less exciting or needed in a rwd car!)
Oh, and don't say I didn't tell you that it can be hard and dangerous! (but then again, using the parking brake going around icy turns isn't exactly safe either)
2of9
12-17-2003, 10:59 PM
so far...i have made drifting marks on my street...there are 5 corners and i have also made marks on them..hhehehe...so fun drifting...i've tried DOWNHILL...so hard, but fun..hehhe :uhoh:
mcdoink
12-27-2003, 08:53 PM
I love drifting in the snow. It's really the only time that FF cars can actually drift. I do it a couple ways depending on the situation. Most of the time I pop the e-brake real quick and jerk the wheel towards where the corner. If you stay on the gas and work the brake/e-brake you can hold it for a while. Another way is left foot braking, where you stay on the gas and use the brake to help you slide. This way is a bit harder, but it allows you to keep both hands on the wheel. (In case you can't already tell, my car is a FF automatic...)
ok. "Drifting" in the snow is not the only time of the year you can drift a FF. If u actually knew anyhting about drifting or have done it you would know that you can use diff tech like feint (momentum). you can drift a FF car in dry conditions if you can throw the car the right way and use its momentum. I dont know about the rest of you but if you take jsut one corner around a block thats not considered drifting. Drifting to me is linking many corners together or taking a long wide corner.
ok. "Drifting" in the snow is not the only time of the year you can drift a FF. If u actually knew anyhting about drifting or have done it you would know that you can use diff tech like feint (momentum). you can drift a FF car in dry conditions if you can throw the car the right way and use its momentum. I dont know about the rest of you but if you take jsut one corner around a block thats not considered drifting. Drifting to me is linking many corners together or taking a long wide corner.
Suislide
12-27-2003, 10:12 PM
don't even start the FF vs FR debate again or i will lock this thread so fast...
snow drifting is not drifting either. it's like running and sliding on a patch of ice and saying you floated. you obviousley didn't, but the lack of traction makes it seem like you did.
likewise with cars. try the same maneuvres you use in the snow when it's dry, and you will find they won't work. the only reason cars will "drift" so readily in the winter is because the roads are so slick. take away the snow, and bye bye sideways.
i also agree that going sideways around one corner isn't really "drifting". it's the art of linking multiple corners - or even a whole track - together into one seamless back and forth motion.
snow drifting is not drifting either. it's like running and sliding on a patch of ice and saying you floated. you obviousley didn't, but the lack of traction makes it seem like you did.
likewise with cars. try the same maneuvres you use in the snow when it's dry, and you will find they won't work. the only reason cars will "drift" so readily in the winter is because the roads are so slick. take away the snow, and bye bye sideways.
i also agree that going sideways around one corner isn't really "drifting". it's the art of linking multiple corners - or even a whole track - together into one seamless back and forth motion.
carguyinok
12-27-2003, 10:32 PM
snow drifting is not drifting either. it's like running and sliding on a patch of ice and saying you floated. :spit: :rofl: :iagree:
THANK YOU
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2strokebloke
12-27-2003, 10:52 PM
likewise with cars. try the same maneuvres you use in the snow when it's dry, and you will find they won't work. the only reason cars will "drift" so readily in the winter is because the roads are so slick. take away the snow, and bye bye sideways.
Actually, try any of the maneuvers and they will work if you know how to do them, the results of course will be exagerated anytime the surface you are driving on affords less traction than that of a dry surface. Technically and literally, a drift is still a drift whether it is performed on dry pavement, dirt, wet pavement, etc. So though it may not literally be a showboating drift for S&G - by definition it is still a drift. I'm sure though, that most of us would not confuse this with going around a tarmac and sliding all over the place for show though. :biggrin:
Actually, try any of the maneuvers and they will work if you know how to do them, the results of course will be exagerated anytime the surface you are driving on affords less traction than that of a dry surface. Technically and literally, a drift is still a drift whether it is performed on dry pavement, dirt, wet pavement, etc. So though it may not literally be a showboating drift for S&G - by definition it is still a drift. I'm sure though, that most of us would not confuse this with going around a tarmac and sliding all over the place for show though. :biggrin:
civiclover94
01-04-2004, 07:09 PM
Yo i love to drift in the snow i was just doing it today oversteered and went up the curb and through a tree and into a stop sign. It sucked really bad. It was cause i am driving a civic and the snow was mostly deep and i came upon a thin area and the dumb ass e-brake locked up and made me oversteer DAMN!! A cop rode by without noticing me i was so fucking lucky. So peace out and keep on drifting. LATA
Bunta
01-05-2004, 12:16 AM
Yeah FR vs. FF needs no debate. People should just know by now.
My friend can wip his MkII GTI around in the snow great. Yeah, left foot braking is the way in FF cars, along with carefully coordinated pendulum turns. Get it to dive in one direction and then aim your drive wheels on that course with some spin. Modulate the e-brake. FF power slide!
I tried doing some antics with my 2002, but it's just not as easy as with my Bavaria. The Bavaria has a longer wheelbase and is the easiest FR on snow and ice. The 2002 is a blast though, a bit more challenging. My e-brake doesn't even work.
Snow+Mall parking lot= too much fun
My friend can wip his MkII GTI around in the snow great. Yeah, left foot braking is the way in FF cars, along with carefully coordinated pendulum turns. Get it to dive in one direction and then aim your drive wheels on that course with some spin. Modulate the e-brake. FF power slide!
I tried doing some antics with my 2002, but it's just not as easy as with my Bavaria. The Bavaria has a longer wheelbase and is the easiest FR on snow and ice. The 2002 is a blast though, a bit more challenging. My e-brake doesn't even work.
Snow+Mall parking lot= too much fun
chales56
01-14-2004, 07:04 PM
I remeber in behind the wheel for drivers ed we were practising slidin and this one kid lock the ebrake on a turn ended up scraping the front on the curb and spun 180 around. MY first try i got the end out and kept control it impressed my instructor.
Kibsin
01-25-2004, 03:39 AM
Well, I think one thing that will help end the debate is, if you were going down a straight away, hit a big broad U turn, and went down another straight away, if you can stay sideways threw the entire turn, it's a drift, otherwise it's just a powerslide.
Now, for you FF guys feeling left out, I have a little trick thats not dangerous and could impress some people if so inclined or they didn't know about driving.
Take your FF car, put it in some slippery conditions, stop it, put it in reverse, lock steering wheel in one direction, mash gas! FF doughnuts! It's pretty interesting for something different then powersliding. Now, if you wanna try dangerous which I wouldn't recommend, FF reverse drifting... like driving and doing turns... you figure it out, I don't want to =0)
Now, for you FF guys feeling left out, I have a little trick thats not dangerous and could impress some people if so inclined or they didn't know about driving.
Take your FF car, put it in some slippery conditions, stop it, put it in reverse, lock steering wheel in one direction, mash gas! FF doughnuts! It's pretty interesting for something different then powersliding. Now, if you wanna try dangerous which I wouldn't recommend, FF reverse drifting... like driving and doing turns... you figure it out, I don't want to =0)
Soyo
01-25-2004, 11:59 PM
who doesn't know how to do reverse donuts in a FF car?
drftk1d
01-26-2004, 02:30 PM
I remeber in behind the wheel for drivers ed we were practising slidin and this one kid lock the ebrake on a turn ended up scraping the front on the curb and spun 180 around. MY first try i got the end out and kept control it impressed my instructor.
Yeah, OK Takumi Fujiwara, OK.
Yeah, OK Takumi Fujiwara, OK.
Bunta
01-26-2004, 11:47 PM
Yeah, but remember, Takumi was a horrible driver when he started. He wasn't an ACE like chales56 is. I wonder how amazing chales will be in FIVE YEARS. He'll be unstoppable. :rolleyes:
Cobra01TT
01-28-2004, 09:59 PM
All I know is that some of the funnest times I've had are in the snow. But I'm also working on drifting in the dry with my Dunlops, and I can almost do a full drift without losing control.
v10_viper
01-28-2004, 10:24 PM
baah...livin on some damn windy roads this is all i do is drift...started out with a 350 77 caprice, no weight in the rear, then a 93 rod ranger 2wd drive manual, shit if i was going fast enough i could get it sidways, that fucker was light...otherwise i just sidestepped the clutch and that'd alwasy kick the rear end out...now i have a 92 Silveardo with a 350, it's a heavy bastard so it doesn't slide around corners without flooring it so it's not a real drift but the same results as one kind of. The Ranger was the funnest thing i ever drove, i could take corners faster than hell, i always turned quick before th corner so i was actually perpendicular the the road then once in the turn just point it back on the road i guess. but i dont fuck with my truck in snow, we just got 10"+ of shitty snow so 2wd is worthless right now...but the 4wd drifts are most def. fun :biggrin: the power my Silverado makes it able to drift on pavement but still, the weight is a huge enemy against it. There is nothing more fun about having a friend riding with you and you kick it sideways on the gravle, rocks a flying and them grabbin the oh shit handle. :lol2: what's really fun is when i'm goin at least 50 on the gravel and start swerving, it doesn't kick the rear end out much but it shure is fun. To all you drifters, good luck and kick that ass end out as far as you can!!!
Boss San
03-20-2004, 01:04 AM
snow drifting is not drifting either. it's like running and sliding on a patch of ice and saying you floated. you obviousley didn't, but the lack of traction makes it seem like you did.
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Isn't that what it takes to drift? A loss of traction.
likewise with cars. try the same maneuvres you use in the snow when it's dry, and you will find they won't work. the only reason cars will "drift" so readily in the winter is because the roads are so slick. take away the snow, and bye bye sideways.
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They have race series in the Netherlands that is called "snow drift" and it has cars drifting nearly the entire length of the track if the course offers the chance to.
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Isn't that what it takes to drift? A loss of traction.
likewise with cars. try the same maneuvres you use in the snow when it's dry, and you will find they won't work. the only reason cars will "drift" so readily in the winter is because the roads are so slick. take away the snow, and bye bye sideways.
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They have race series in the Netherlands that is called "snow drift" and it has cars drifting nearly the entire length of the track if the course offers the chance to.
323
03-21-2004, 01:56 PM
why do you keep bringing back old post?
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