What would be the best type of box

I want to get an Audiobahn System and i know they make boxes also i wanted to know what would be best a Bandpass box, Slot Ported, or Sealed. Please let me know

Thanks

For an Audiobahn (assuming that you want SPL) I would go with a slot ported box. Bandpass box is really loud at certain frequencies, but not very all round responsive. Sealed, while loud, is more for a SQ setup. I would say with audiobahn, the slot ported box is the best bet, IMO.

tons of bass= ported
sound quality= sealed

The Flame Audiobahns will blow the plastic out of the bandpass boxes.
Lol

the choice is your own. if you have enough power do a sealed if not do ported. When i mean enough power i mean an amp that meets or exceeds the power rating of the sub.


as for flaming q's "blowing" boxes apart wtf do you build boxes with superglue? Try getting the right size box.

audiobahn while looking pretty with al the chrome, has alot of reliability problems, thier bandpass boxes are ONLY for looks and really sound like crap, especialy the triple 12" inverted ones is a joke, ported boxes are more efficient so they need less power to get loud but are also good for spl and sealed is good for sq,

audiobahn really though, think abou tmaybe going with another brand becaus audiobahn is like a bomz exhaust or having a body kit on your car, all for looks,looks overquality and cheap

i think the best kind of box is one that is almost completely shaved, possibly a little tuft of hair in the middle, and also one that is not too losse...oh, my bad..................another brain fart from me...oops lol

If you get good speakers and a big amp, go with the sealed box. I think it gives the best sound quality and hits the widest range of frequencies. A bandpass box will give you the most boom for your buck (i.e. being loud even with a small amp) but their are some frequencies that just don't hit and when you listen to songs with them it will annoy the hell out of you.

This is "borrowed" from the instruction/specs sheet of my Infinity (http://www.infinitysystems.com) "10 Referance subwoofer speaker and provides what I think is helpful info on different box types and what kind would work best:

The power-handling capability of any woofer is related to both its ability to dissipate heat and the maximum excursion limits of its cone. Once the speaker’s voice coil moves outside the magnetic gap, power can no longer be converted into motion and all the amplifier’s power is converted into heat in the voice coil. This voice-coil heating
is the largest detriment to speaker longevity, so overexcursion should be avoided. Since speaker-cone excursion is different for each type of enclosure, power handling is different for each enclosure.

Sealed enclosures exert the most control over the motion of a subwoofer because the air inside the box acts like a spring against the motion of the woofer cone. Larger boxes allow for more excursion, thus providing more low-frequency output for the amount of power used. When placed in a sealed box larger than the Vas of the subwoofer, it will perform as if it were in an infinite baffle installation.

Vented enclosures have the lowest amount of excursion for the amount of sound output. This is a result of port output reinforcing the sound output from the woofer. The mass of the air contained in the port provides an acoustic load on the woofer’s cone at the tuning frequency, and this added mass decreases woofer-cone excursion. Vented boxes do not provide adequate woofer control when driven below the port tuning range, so proper design is important. A vented bandpass box will have the lowest overall cone excursion, provided a subsonic filter is used.

• Voice-coil overheating and burning due to overexcursion are often caused by overdriving an amplifier into "clipping." A severely clipped signal, or squarewave, contains nearly twice the power of a clean
sine wave at the same level. Bass that sounds broken up and distorted at higher volumes usually indicates that the amplifier is clipping (i.e., being asked to deliver power beyond its rated power).

• Infinite baffle or “free air” mounting applications allow for greater cone excursion than subwoofers mounted in an enclosure. In order to compensate, recognize that the power-rating value of the subwoofer
will likely be half its rated power in this application.

• Study the excursion curves on the enclosed Reference series data sheet and note the differences for different enclosure applications. The type and size of box used will produce different excursion demands
on the enclosed subwoofer and, consequently, different levels of power handling. As long as recommended parameters are used, the subwoofer will perform properly in its enclosed environment. However, any design deviation may result in less than optimum performance, and may also subject the subwoofer to overexcursion (i.e., where the voice coil leaves the gap) that can eventually damage the speaker. For additional help with this issue, please contact your authorized Infinity dealer.

audiobahn while looking pretty with al the chrome, has alot of reliability problems, thier bandpass boxes are ONLY for looks and really sound like crap, especialy the triple 12" inverted ones is a joke, ported boxes are more efficient so they need less power to get loud but are also good for spl and sealed is good for sq,

audiobahn really though, think abou tmaybe going with another brand becaus audiobahn is like a bomz exhaust or having a body kit on your car, all for looks,looks overquality and cheap

:loser: I had 70 dollar audiobahn high excursions runnign form a JBL BP300.1, my friend had 250 dollar punch HX2's running off of a BP300.1 and mine sounded just as clean and just as loud, im sure if they were actually tested for SQ or SPL thered be a difference but to our ears we couldnt tell a difference. we each built outr own cuztom designed porteed box and both were in 2 door coupes with the subs firing backwards.

personally I think audiobahn is good stuff.

if he had those hx2's running at their rated power he'd have murdered you in spl.

I idnt have mine near their rated power either, im not saying it is better or worse than RF stuff, IM just saying that when you dont have tons of money to spend on 10 watt amps and hundreds of dolar subs, you dont have too. but put the AWT12X with its rated power to the power HX2 with its rated power and I could still do it cheaper the audiobahn way and be probably just as loud. I like RF stuff but why would I spend 3 times as much on a sub that isnt better(well ont enough to justify the price at least)

true, the HX2 is grossly expensive :dunno:

i think the best kind of box is one that is almost completely shaved, possibly a little tuft of hair in the middle, and also one that is not too losse...oh, my bad..................another brain fart from me...oops lol

hehe couldn't agree more, although the bit of hair in there may mess up the acoustic wave as it tries to travel to the back of the box.

I'd get a box made of 1/2"-3/4" Lexan... the lexan would be great to build a sealed box out of. stuff is literally bulletproof, and it bends with the travel of the woofer increasing the sound quality. but the cost of the lexan makes it hard if you ever screw up.. and to make the edges clean you'd spend a lot of time with a saw, and lots of sandpaper. But when you're done it'd be the best looking box around, and with a few neons in/around it, it'd be awesome.

Bah the new JL series would far out perform the audiobahn. When it comes to stereos spend the money to make it sound good as well as loud the first time so when you tire of driving around with massive bass and shity sound you can still enjoy your investment.

I'd get a box made of 1/2"-3/4" Lexan... the lexan would be great to build a sealed box out of. stuff is literally bulletproof, and it bends with the travel of the woofer increasing the sound quality. but the cost of the lexan makes it hard if you ever screw up.. and to make the edges clean you'd spend a lot of time with a saw, and lots of sandpaper. But when you're done it'd be the best looking box around, and with a few neons in/around it, it'd be awesome.

Only thing is, I don't know if Lexan is the most ideal materal from an acoustical standpoint, than say plywood or MDF particularly. It seems that Lexon would just bounce the sound around all over them place more than MDF or wood which can absorb sound and richen or deepen tones.

SIlverY2KCivic has a good point, speaking from exterience I prefer the sound of MDF enclosures due to the richness of sound. I even go as far on my own enclosures as to line the inside of the enclosure with Dynamat.

SIlverY2KCivic has a good point, speaking from exterience I prefer the sound of MDF enclosures due to the richness of sound. I even go as far on my own enclosures as to line the inside of the enclosure with Dynamat.

My sealed box I have for my "10, I lined the inside with polyester pillow batting, LOL! That's what a local stereo shop recommended I use, and what they use themselves in their wall displays. Works fine for me. They say don't line the ENTIRE inside, just around the sides. The back I left unlined to give at least one flat surface for the sound to bounce off of.

Enclosures used to be filled with fiberglass insulation to disrupt air current that was generated, I assume you will still find it in most ported premade enclosures, my use of fully lined Dynamat is just a personal preference based on personal experimentation. Either way some sort of sound deadening within the enclosure is highly recomended... what type is mainly preference.

i agree when it comes to stereos spend the money, don't try to go cheap or thats just what ur going to get, cheap. but to answer ur question i'd go with the sealed box. audiobahns don't sound to great in bandpass. while ported offers a few more dBs it lacks on sq. so the sealed gives much better quality if u have the rite amp pushing the subs.

Audiobahn is the apc of the car audio world. There are better speakers for cheaper. If you are looking for a good spl and sq sub, try an RE Se, or Image Dynamics IDq or IDmax. I have torn apart a bunch of subwoofers, everything from treo to my image dynamics to pioneers. The audiobahn is a poor design, with a cheaply made spider and voice coil. Image Dynamics has impressed me with their subs so far. Lightweight material, the voice coil one of the tighest wrapped ones i have seen and can take a hell of a beating.

I dont know about IDMAX's being cheaper than audiobahns, well at lest not the alums' the high or ultra excursions, and IM sure at least one more model up is cheaper, just cant remember the name of it. and I had a hihg excursion ported and it HIT HARD, now I have more power going to the aluminum sealed and it sounds a little cleaner but nowhere near as loud as my ported HE, which didnt sound sloppy at all. neverh heard an IDMAX though, so.....

tons of bass= ported
sound quality= sealed

The Flame Audiobahns will blow the plastic out of the bandpass boxes.
Lol

what are you talking about...i have seen plenty of SQ set ups that have ported boxes....the only advantages sealed has over a properly ported box is power handleing and the absince of any port noise...and if the ports are made corectly port noise is slim to none. but a ported box will see an average of 3dB louder than a sealed box of the same volume and input power. and sicne freqincies below 100Hz are often the hardest to recreate and keep up with the rest of the range ported is the way to go either way. most people say they dont like sealed because it doesnt sound right to them...this is most likely because the sealed boxes they have heard are poorly built boxes made in their in experenced buddies garages with PVC ports or pre tuned plastic ports. audiobahn is crap all the way around and the AW series is the flame series and they suck worse than the ALUM series. this is because the AW seies are stamped and the ALUM are cast....put real power to a stamped basket and see how quick you speaker sound like S***....

I have to say this entire thread is wrong.

The audiobahns desperately need a ported box whether going sound quality or spl. Audiobahn does not have a properly recommended enclosure. You can get a good design for a ported enclosure by entering the specs in winisd. If you go sealed with that sub, it has some serious possiblities to damage the woofer.

I dont know about IDMAX's being cheaper than audiobahns, well at lest not the alums' the high or ultra excursions, and IM sure at least one more model up is cheaper, just cant remember the name of it. and I had a hihg excursion ported and it HIT HARD, now I have more power going to the aluminum sealed and it sounds a little cleaner but nowhere near as loud as my ported HE, which didnt sound sloppy at all. neverh heard an IDMAX though, so.....


IDMAX is MUCH MUCH better than a audiobahn any day.

IDMAX is MUCH MUCH better than a audiobahn any day.

well yeah, thats one of the more expensive subs I wanna buy, but seeing as I can get my high excursion for 70 bucks that slams pretty hard in a large sealed box, im happy with that. never blew on me, and I had it for a long time. I always make my box on winisd as well.

i had a banpass box with 2 12" that slamed, but for some reason it worked best with an iPod. im a mechanical engineer so i dont know how this could have been. the place where i got my iPod was rad. free...
http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=11999631
free...

I guess if you can't go vented then large sealed boxes would work, but you really should try vented, it is much better.

oh damn, I meant ported, not sure why I wrote sealed, the ALUM i have now is whats in large sealed, blew my first one in a ported box, but thats cuz I have a BP1200.1 and @ 3ohms its still pushing some serious power and I must have had it up too high and cant hear distortion in my trunk

I have to say this entire thread is wrong.

The audiobahns desperately need a ported box whether going sound quality or spl. Audiobahn does not have a properly recommended enclosure. You can get a good design for a ported enclosure by entering the specs in winisd. If you go sealed with that sub, it has some serious possiblities to damage the woofer.

Okay i am calling a big bs on this on man, sorry but i got to. In my knowledge of sudwoofers and comps, both SQ and SPL, audiobahn sucks, period. It is poor subwoofer design. Now saying that building a sealed nclosure for an audiobahn would damage the speaker, is just pure bs. A properly desgined box will not damage the speaker. Out of all the cars on Team Image Dyanmic, SQ side of it, i don't belive not one person runs a ported box. Ported boxes are to slopply at different freq not matter how high or low you tune the port. Sealed boxes work better for SQ. Now on my side of TEam ID, the SPL, vented is the way to go for SPl and those IDmaxs, really, really like the high excursion. I got some pics of couple IDmax cones i blew if you wanna see them.

Okay i am calling a big bs on this on man, sorry but i got to. In my knowledge of sudwoofers and comps, both SQ and SPL, audiobahn sucks, period. It is poor subwoofer design. Now saying that building a sealed nclosure for an audiobahn would damage the speaker, is just pure bs. A properly desgined box will not damage the speaker. Out of all the cars on Team Image Dyanmic, SQ side of it, i don't belive not one person runs a ported box. Ported boxes are to slopply at different freq not matter how high or low you tune the port. Sealed boxes work better for SQ. Now on my side of TEam ID, the SPL, vented is the way to go for SPl and those IDmaxs, really, really like the high excursion. I got some pics of couple IDmax cones i blew if you wanna see them.

The audiobahns need a ported box like said before, as you said properly built box. I never said they wouuld be good for competing sq.

sure I wanna see those pics of the blown IDMAX's, and ive seen some of their reports of the SPL comps on theirs site and they dont seem to do so bad. what sub would you reccomend over the AW1200Q high excursion in the 70 dollar price range for SPL. I had mine in a 3.4 ft^3 ported box with 2 3" ports and it was tuned to 37. was loud enough for me, and easy on the wallet.

sure I wanna see those pics of the blown IDMAX's, and ive seen some of their reports of the SPL comps on theirs site and they dont seem to do so bad. what sub would you reccomend over the AW1200Q high excursion in the 70 dollar price range for SPL. I had mine in a 3.4 ft^3 ported box with 2 3" ports and it was tuned to 37. was loud enough for me, and easy on the wallet.

$70 is kinda hard to find a good spl sub. Even with my sponsership through ID, i still payed a good part for my subs. Try over on termpro.com in the marketplace for some spl woofers.

Damn 3.4 cubic feet! I got my IDs in a 1.5 cubic foot box(1.5 per woofer) and tuned up to 43 hz. I will get those pics for you. Did you know that the IDmax voice coil has over 300 feet of wire in it? Found that after the coil fried and attached itself to the pole in the magnet. I had to pull out over 300 feet of wire a piece. There is a pretty good story behind how that happened too.

well if its hard top finmd a good SPL sub for 70 bucks then Ill stick with the high excursion because it was enough for me, and in that huge box it salmmed. rear view mirror fell off all the time, couldnt even sit in the back seat your ears hurt so much, and my entire house shook when I was in the driveway (it is an old mobile though so not real solid). pennies bounce inches off the trunk lid.

I read one post where it listed some good inexpensive subs/amps that someone reccomended, Im gonna search for that post when I go to buy a system again.

Dont you guys remember bumpin your first pair of 6x9s thinkin "yeah my 6x9's BUMP!", then you got your first pair of 12's and you thought those bumped, then you upgraded from that 120 watt peak amp, and it was a whole new world and it just keeps getting better all the time... Well, some of you forget that just because you have something better, not everything else sucks. You guys talk about audiobahn like its Lightning Audio... Audiobahn subs absolutely slam. In the competition world, there may be a bunch of better ways to go, but in the real world, when Im driving around town, I'll blow anybodys system away with a pair of Audiobahns flame subs. They arent just pieces of crap, no matter how much of a better system you can get. Whoever says audiobahn is crap, is wrong. If I had 1 JL W7 in my trunk I could talk shit about your "sponsored systems" all day long, but that would make me an ignorant shit talker because your system is still respectable. All I see are you guys acting high and mighty about whatever is in YOUR trunk. get over it. When I had a system that consisted of 2 Xplods in a ported box on a Jensen 720, and 4 pioneer 5x7s on a Jensen 680, I rarely met anybody with a better system. Of course I couldnt compete with world car audio champs, but it was a damn good system. Not everybody has 2 $500 subs, and a $1000 amp, and a $500 pair of component speakers, and a $2000 head unit... but that doesnt mean their system sucks. and to answer the question, if you are putting your audiobahns in a sealed box they will sound great, just make sure the cone is facing the rear of the car, because it makes a huge difference.

Don't buy Audiobahn subs unless you have no other choice, As far as boxes it really depends on what type of bass you want. Sealed= tight,responsive bass(need a lot of power for effectiveness), Ported= Thumping,catastrophic bass(more sound with less power), Bandpass=real cloudy, boomy bass(if you want boom but quality doesn't matter)

dude get off of audiobahn it sucks and i also used to have a pair of flame q 12's they were VERY shitty. I will knock the hell out of them with my sexxx 12's and HALF the power that your bahns are getting.

audiobahns dont suck no matter what you say, they arent the best OK, but they dont suck.

I wasnt happy with my alum12Q cuz the cone came apart from the surround, but I zap-a-gaped it back on and it held good. but my high excursion AW1200X's SLAMMED in a big ported box, and wasnt shitty sounding either.

those 1200's sound SHITTY. I've heard them in .707 sealed ported BIG tuned to 28, 35, and 40 and in medium ported boxes....they ALL sounded shitty. The only one that sounded HALF decent is one that I installed in a transmission line...still didn't sound good. and yes i can say audiobahn sucks cuz they do. Ill give a few exceptions though I really like the 03 immortals (haven't heard the new ones) the linear compressions aren't bad and the alums do not suck but they are no where near good. flame excursions suck flame q's suck only heard the 18"1205's and they're HORRIBLE and of course all the lower lines suck.

Adire sucks nuts! those no name pieces of shit arent good enough to bump a fiat. the nine.1 is a piece of crap, why dont you get some real equipment, and get off your stupid sponsors nuts just because they give you free shit. A W7 will blow your brahma apart from 20 yards you guys all suck, and you dont know shit, youre just bias.

ok, well listen to a 1200 in a 3.4 ft^3 dual 3" ports tuned to 37 and it sounds good, not the best but it wasnt real sloppy and was LOUD, shook my house, shook the school.

and yes when I say shake I dont mean SHAKE like an earthquake but you could hear/feel the rumble and things on desks/shelves would vibrate a bit sometimes.

and they are only 70 bucks.


have you listened to every audiobahn sub in every type of encloseure, Im gonna have to go ahead and assume the answer to that is NO so quit talking out of your ass. if you got nothing better to do is rag on peoples shit that they think is fine just go slit your own throat and put us all out of your misery.

I've heard at lwast one from each line except the pro compression piston and i've heard them in a lot of enclosures and rick ou sir are a fucking idiot why don't you research before you post....I nor anyone here is sponsored by adre/re/ia/ed ect... Sr20 where u at to school these noobs? Rick u needa hear some good stuff before dissing it have u ever heard adires/re's ect... no you haven't and no a w7 wouldn't tear a brahma up. They're close in SPL and a brahma IMO Has WAAY better sq. The two drivers along with the xxx line from re are all neck and neck with each other....you can just get xxx's and brahmas MUCH cheaper. Rick Do me a favor.....go over to www.caraudio.com and post in their forums put up that you think audiobahn is the best go over there and say nine.1's and adire sucks.....watch wut they say it will be quite comical.

oh also, I had my 1200 in a small sealed and it did sound crappy, too peaky and no low end at all.

i haven't been able to get any kind of low end out of the 1200....the T-line could get decently low but the bottom note on late night tip was non-existant. All other setups the bottom end was not there they were too peaky and every note sounded like a big nasty fart.

You guys are talking like you drive a saleen s7, and a 740 Li is a piece of shit. Sure I'd rather drive a Rolls Royce Phantom than an E Class, but that doesnt mean its a piece of shit. I'd still like to have an IS 300. You guys have the attitude of paris hilton.. spoiled little bitches..."Listen to an audiobahn... ewwwww never.... Id rather shoot myself"... get your panties out of your asses, you little princesses.

dude go kill urself ur a moron and go post elsewhere. Audiobahn is the fucking hyundai (w/ HOOOOGE chrom rims) of subwoofers. Its a cheap piece of shit that doesn't perform.....yea its better then pyle, legacy, boss ect. but not much better.

there needs to be a new forum called "spoiled little bitch car audio champion wannabes" so you fucks can all jerk off about adire and RE. Maybe you can all start a club and circle jerk onto the nine.1

u gunna go to www.caraudio.com n post this shit or not..... ppl don't post here very much nor do they care to elaborate on u but theyll flame the hell outa u on ca.

Warnings sent....thread locked.

I best not see any posting of the style in this thread.