What is drifting?

:2cents: Some people dont know the history of dorifto. They dont understand the reason racers drift. They think that all you have to do is get your ass end sideways. They come up to a turn, slown down and womp on it to get sideways around a turn. WTF?(I wonder if neone has done this in Rally)I know of someone here in Oki with a grand-turismo that does this. He should know better than to drift a big ass car like this neways. The whole objective is to maintain speed around a turn. It should look good too but you shouldnt have to be a womper to do it.

L8.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

Ha! Crushed!

hey holistidbeatz Billy Madison rules!!!!!! great response

all he said was drifting big ass cars look stupid.

I bet he can't drift a 200SX better than the URAS BLITZ ER34

:2cents: Some people dont know the history of dorifto. They dont understand the reason racers drift. They think that all you have to do is get your ass end sideways. They come up to a turn, slown down and womp on it to get sideways around a turn. WTF?(I wonder if neone has done this in Rally)I know of someone here in Oki with a grand-turismo that does this. He should know better than to drift a big ass car like this neways. The whole objective is to maintain speed around a turn. It should look good too but you shouldnt have to be a womper to do it.
L8.

1.History,history,history.You ramble on about it and show no evidence of knowing this yourself.You don't need to know the history to become good at,though it is a little hard not to know it.

2.That "womping" is called power over,it is as beginner as it gets.It is the best technique to learn first,you can learn a lot for such a simple task.That technique also paves the way to better drifting,

3.I find that cars with big wheel bases make beautiful drifts.Have you ever since a GT-S or Chaser drift?They make some beautiful long drifts,their is no subsitute for a long wheel base car drifting.

4.Maintain speed around a corner.Unless your going through hairpins,your losing more speed than maintaining.The best speed on a fairly windy course/circuit would be a combination of low angle drift and grip.Tsuchiya won a lot of AM races doing this.

5. Why are so many people concerned over such minor things,just go and have fun with your car,enjoy it,and driving.

Great post Shiftlock.

For the most part, drifting is slow. Drifting as it's known on this forum is all done for show. It's good and fun, but it's not racing. The fastest way around a track is to maintain traction or in certain circumstances use a very low angle drift as Shiftlock mentioned. This is more or less why the "drift king" is named so. He successfully used it in professional racing (although many of you probably wouldn't recognize it even if you saw it, it's nothing like D1GP :) ).

MAYBE YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND ME.(clears throught) IT MAY SOUND STUPID TO YOU AND YOUR CLOSEMINDED FOLLOWERS BUT WHAT I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT SLOW DOWN SO MUCH THAT IT ALMOST CAUSES EVERYONE BEHIND THEM TO WRECK. IS THAT FUN? I KNOW ALL MY JAPANESE BUDDIES DONT LIKE DUMBASSES THAT SPIN OUT CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO DRIFT A BIG ASS CAR. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF MY CLOSEST FREINDS HAS A TOYO CHASER. I BET SHE CAN GET SIDEWAYS BETTER THEN MOST. IM SURE IN THE STATES YOU GUYS HAVE IT GOOD THOUGH. AFTER ALL, ITS WHERE DRIFTING STARTED...RIGHT?(powersliding):eek7:

MAYBE YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND ME.(clears throught) IT MAY SOUND STUPID TO YOU AND YOUR CLOSEMINDED FOLLOWERS BUT WHAT I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT SLOW DOWN SO MUCH THAT IT ALMOST CAUSES EVERYONE BEHIND THEM TO WRECK. IS THAT FUN? I KNOW ALL MY JAPANESE BUDDIES DONT LIKE DUMBASSES THAT SPIN OUT CAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO DRIFT A BIG ASS CAR. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF MY CLOSEST FREINDS HAS A TOYO CHASER. I BET SHE CAN GET SIDEWAYS BETTER THEN MOST. IM SURE IN THE STATES YOU GUYS HAVE IT GOOD THOUGH. AFTER ALL, ITS WHERE DRIFTING STARTED...RIGHT?(powersliding):eek7:


Let me get this right,because you live in Japan that gives you the right to talk down on everyone and act like your superior.Just because you live where it started doesn't mean your good.And if you have a problem with someoe going slow,don't go out with them,or go where their not.If your coming here and complaining about something that doesn't really affect someone on a large scale,it just sounds like whining.And please,turn off the caps.

Now I ask you this question.Would you rather have someone go slower,or faster than what their capable of.Everybody starts somewhere,you seriously need to change your tamponand take it for what it is worth.

Well, sorry if I offended neone. First of all I dont drift. I just like to drag race. Im just getting tired of some of the peeps I hang out with complaining about it. Your right. Everyone has to start somewhere. Just try to do it where there arent five cars behind you.

L8.:sorry:

i too have seen this car drift. the point my firend is getting at is why drift where these guys have been drifting for years, if you dont know how to drift. most of the drifters are not american, thus causing a problim with the way americans come down and try to drift where they know they cant. if you seen this this guy drift you whould have a whole nother out look on what he is talking about, lets not forget that this guy is running almost stock on his car, it rolls like a suv if you drift then you will know what i mean by that, now back to the other thing. but since you have not then i can see how it would raise a certain confusion.

"OKITRAZ STRIGHT SLIDERS
"ride or die"

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hey man i have never drifted before, so lets say oneday i decide to start
i practice and practice for months... u know start by doing donuts then working my way to clutch kicks
finally i get the guts to goto one of the intermediate spots such as the one you guys are talking about, if i screw up and spin out ur telling me that you guys hate me for it? i mean if u allow no one to drift in your spot then how can nyone improve? i thought drifting was supposed to be a fun sport and to learn from others what you cant by yourself...
Dont complain when someone fucks up, im sure they didnt want to slow you guys down either
Chillax and be easy

You act like you drift. The guys that drift in this "SPOT" are not practicing. They have done it for years. There are plenty of other "SPOT"'s to practice. I suppose it would be ok to take a street racer and throw him in a NASCAR race. Right?:screwy:



dont get it twisted.:eek7:

Heheheh...this is getting good, like, Jerry Springer good...I just wanted to make a few points:

1. Drifting is not racing. Comparing it to automotive racing is like comparing Don Johnson to Ben Johnson: Don looks good, but Ben is all about the speed. Drifting looks cool and stylish, but Grip Gets the Gold.

2. Drifting is now getting popular; everyone is rushing to it now, and abandoning the street racing scene. Just like they (street racers/poseurs) all jumped on the secluded and lesser-known JDM scene, all those kids and their Civics are going to be selling them in favour of 240's, AE86's, and the like. I've been watching the drift scene for about 4 years now (but not drifting - I don't pretend to be one) and its gone from a Japan-only art/sport, to hitting the front page of GQ and Wired magazine, and Best Buy sells drift videos now! With D1 coming to America, its only a matter of time...

I drift in a 725hp 3000GT VR4:) Now that is fun. Im not the greatest but i can do it. And i have only done one HIGH speed drift before and its nuts. I like to heep the spped kinda low. And if your gunna complain about a guy you are out with complain to him dont come here and wine plz. It takes up space:)
O and if you know he sucks by your standards go before him dont follow him.

Tim

I feel so bad right now, especialy since ive been wanting to drift since 2001 and i havent actually done it yet, that now i am going to be considered a ricer which is one of the reasons why i started in the first place to be different. But now im gonna be a poseur. Whatever... drifting is still cool

well i know what drifting is but i can't do it, A buddy of mine with a 1985 toyota Trueno lift-back can send that thing sideways really fast.He calls it high speed drifting i have know idea how he does it all i see is the little car comeing down the road then he jolts to the left then as you think he's going to crash the jolts to the right and goes in side-ways fast. He said that my Lancer could drift a little better then his Trueno but i don't know can some one help me?

I didnt know what it was i was doing with my car , I was going about 60mph on the highway an my regular commute. I looked both ways in front and behind to see if any one was comming. When it was clear i pulled the steering wheel left and fully pulled the e brake smoke and spin and 360 degree turn and maintained controll. Through the whole sensless spin around and recover i only lost about 6 mph on the speed stayed in my lane no problem. I was hooked and later found out that the name of this sport was drifting. I can do it all now , front wheel drives , rear wheels and mid ship rearies too. All wheel drives drift the same as front wheel drives(for me any way) but my fave is front wheel drive.

FWD sucks ass for drifting. AWD kills the diffs. RWD is the best. How old are you Markgase2000? And NO AWD do not drift the same as front wheel drive. The center diff that transfers power during the event of a wheel sliping will transfer to the wheels with the most traction. IE front wheels. And they will get up to 100% power pulling the car out. But if you slide the car and have all the tires drifting then the read will slide more. Unless the car is highly modified you will have a VERY hard time drifting AWD.

PS still sounds like you dont know what you are doing. **pulled the e brake smoke and spin and 360 degree turn and maintained controll. Through the whole sensless spin around and recover i only lost about 6 mph on the speed stayed in my lane**

A lot of BS. 360 degree corner. Thats a full circle. What did you do it in obviously not a RWD car. Maintained control??? and only lost 6mph? Man not even professinal drifters can do that. You must be good. I CALL BS ON THIS ONE

I didnt know what it was i was doing with my car , I was going about 60mph on the highway an my regular commute. I looked both ways in front and behind to see if any one was comming. When it was clear i pulled the steering wheel left and fully pulled the e brake smoke and spin and 360 degree turn and maintained controll. Through the whole sensless spin around and recover i only lost about 6 mph on the speed stayed in my lane no problem. I was hooked and later found out that the name of this sport was drifting. I can do it all now , front wheel drives , rear wheels and mid ship rearies too. All wheel drives drift the same as front wheel drives(for me any way) but my fave is front wheel drive.

you can't drift in a FWD car, its not called drifting, its called pulling the ebrake and turning the wheel... you never lose control cuz all you have to do is put the ebrake back down... drifting is making the car go out of control yet controlling it, I could ebrake my old FWD car within a month of learning to drive, how hard is that?

why do you think theres never been a FWD car in D1GP? seriously people learn about things before you talk about them

I drive cars for a living , I dont know any one whos crazy enough to pull an e-brake at 100kmph(60mph) on an extremely dry surface and make the car spin like i did. I have never seen a rear wheel do that. I also do FWD Ice drifting , its illegal but very fun. I learned all kinds of tricks like driving sideways for a 100 meters and switching sides.
I work for an auto manufacturer , ive tried drifted Rear wheel drives like , corvettes , mustangs , an old RX-7 , Beamers , fierro's , 240sx , 200sx , 180sx and i also gave a go with a police interceptor. Steering from the rear and loosing controll is fun on rwd , but its too damn easy!!!! So E-Braking is what i do then huh? I watched this guy thrashing the nuts off his beamer in a parking lot. I had to ask him what the hell he was doing. He laughed at me and my car saying I cant whip around like him cause my car was FWD. I proved him so wrong. I made more smoke and spun around even went on 2 wheels on the side i was spinning so hard. What do you call that? I am currently the only member in the edmonton area that I know of who Steers From the Rear with a FWD car. By the way , you cant tell me that drifting came from Japan. Even back in the iron auto days was europe and north america rwders gettin drunk and doing this stuff for fun in cars that were much heavier. The car i first did the E-braking on was a 99 escort se. I got 3rd place in a smoke show competion with it. I lost to a mustang1 and a BMW323 2 , but i beat another mustang and a camaro. If you would like to see me E-brake my grand am , come to edmonton's motoring show , in the parking lot they will be having a drifting competition , I will be there and you cant miss my car. Spring 2004 Watch my tires light up.

[QUOTE=89turbo944] My car went 360 degrees on a straight road , not a circle , and i have done it again and again. Ive also taken the ditch attemting to show people. Sometimes i impress sometimes i looked stupid. Its witer now so E-Braking is a way of life for me right now. Come to motoring show 2004 in Edmonton at the Agricom parking lot , im entering a drift competition there , the people running the competion never had a problem that my car is FWD. Infact they said id probably do well at the stunts. If you show up , you can see. You cant miss my car.

P.S. - Thanks for verifying that its called E-Braking , funny how nobody told me that before.

I dont think you understand this, it requires little or no skill to drift aFWD. My first car was a 1988 Honda Prelude 2.0S. I could be ripping on a 360 degree offramp and yank the ebrake to get sideways. No problem and i had only driven the car for a week. As for ice drifting. I do that in the winter time. Easy as well. Just cause you can slide your rear end out and make smoke dose not mean you are doing something right.

First off to do a proper drift you do not need to even use the brakes to get it sideways. Even in a FWD. You just have to find out how to do proper weight transfer.

O and if you enter the Drift comp you will be laughed at by all even if you do a commendable job because its a Grand Am and its FWD.

Buy a car that actually requires skill to preform maneuvers like that in. Any idiot can make his tires smoke but not all idiots can do it sideways at 80mph:)

Posted by Markgase2000


I never said that--->QUOTE=89turbo944] My car went 360 degrees on a straight road , not a circle , and i have done it again and again. Ive also taken the ditch attemting to show people. Sometimes i impress sometimes i looked stupid. Its witer now so E-Braking is a way of life for me right now. Come to motoring show 2004 in Edmonton at the Agricom parking lot , im entering a drift competition there , the people running the competion never had a problem that my car is FWD. Infact they said id probably do well at the stunts. If you show up , you can see. You cant miss my car.

P.S. - Thanks for verifying that its called E-Braking , funny how nobody told me that before.

IT doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile winning is winning!! good line...

ok people i dont know who called donuts drifting or doing a 360 which is the same as a donut but that is not drifting.. takeing your car to a corner and then sliding around that side ways that is drifting.. not 360.. come ot japan and see how they do it then you will see that your ideal of drifting is way off.. any body can spin around in a 360 and pull out of it and make it look good. but on a dry road around a corner sideways that is skill.. not 360's.. come correct or dont come at all.. and to do it around a 90 degree corner and keeping you speed up around 60mph or so that is skill.. i drift an 89 nissan silvia ca 18 det rwd..

drifting is stupid. It is only good for off road (read rally) racing due the the physics of tires.
Drifting on asphalt is about as sensible as doing a burnout. It looks cool and it is fun, but It is in no means sporting or performance driving.

Wow even mustang owners think displacemnt is a replacemnt for there brain. Rally driving has very little to do with the physics of tirese so plz dont even try to sound like you know what you are talking about.

First off burnouts have a usefoll purpose. TO HEAT YOU TIRES. The compound that bondts the tire to the road works best when at a hight temp. Heatin your tires provided you with better grip.

Also the sport of drifting is based off of a manuver that a sports car driver used to win races. Maintaning a higher corner speed than your opponent will garantee you victory. Drifft competitions are just for show. But i would love to see you try to drift your car in one. Would be great watching you hit shit:)

pulling a 360 on the freeway is highly unlikely, as well as hella unsafe.
you're a real genius.
you work for an auto manufacturer?
right. and you've only driven old cars, huh? but you drive for a living...

I made more smoke and spun around even went on 2 wheels on the side i was spinning so hard

are you serious? do you really think we're going to believe you? how old are you, really?

By the way , you cant tell me that drifting came from Japan. Even back in the iron auto days was europe and north america rwders gettin drunk and doing this stuff for fun in cars that were much heavier.
yeah, actually, we can say drifting is from japan. b/c it's a japanese sport. it wasn't considered drifting in the states with big/old cars. it was called a power slide. end of story.

you took third in a smoke show? what? sounds like a burnout competition to me. what does that have to do with you pulling the e brake and spinning to make smoke?

so, who do you work for? what car company? curiousity has taken over now... fess up...

drifting is stupid. It is only good for off road (read rally) racing due the the physics of tires.
Drifting on asphalt is about as sensible as doing a burnout. It looks cool and it is fun, but It is in no means sporting or performance driving.
drifting has nothing to do with being fast. it has to do with being in control. end of story. it's not about lap times or any of that bs.

and i'm sure you'd be surprised to find out how good JDM drift pro's are at grip driving as well... but you wouldn't know that b/c you just think it's stupid, right?

well if drifting has nothing do do with being fast, which is true, then it is a waste of time.
Oh, and what I said about the physics of tires is true.
in rally racing, it is faster to take a corner sideways because of the limited traction on gravel/snow/mud etc. whereas on asphalt you will lose speed and wear out your tires faster. the only proper way to take a turn is to:
1. brake
2.turn in
3. accelerate after the Apex
that's it. that's why pro drivers don't drift their race cars around turns because you will lose.
and yes, drifting is fun, but so is doing 150 on the freeway, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

this is all true and all but it also explains why drifting is the fastest way to drive ON A DOWNHILL COURSE and because of this there are no laps times just just time trials, and style events(which arent ment for time)
so if anyone else would like to flame on drifting the go to a danm nascar forum and try not to sound so dumb when your speaking

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