best engine for Type-R??

hey, im new to racing and crap and i just wanted to know what the best engine for a Type-R is? anybody spread some light on the subject? and if not Type-R, then a GSR.

best engine for the type R is the B18C5 :screwy:

yeah thats what i was thinking. any stats on the engine?

this is off the top of my head so if it isnt exactly right im sure someone will correct me

1797cc
10.6:1cr
DOHC VTEC
redline is 8300 I think
195 HP
130 ft/lbs

also the tranny is a close-ratio with a LSD which is nice.

if you want a drag racer and not a road racer, then Id go a differen route. like mayeb a GSR and boost it, or a LS and boost it, buying a ITR is a waste of money for drag racing cuz its basically tuned from honda and theres not alot of power ot be gained with it unless you dont wanna drive it everyday as well.

yeah, i was thinking more for road racing. So a no on a type-r? thats cool, do you know of anything else that could benifit me in making the car as fast as possible. e.g. boosting hp, torque, is it better to make it lighter or have some weight to it, that kinda shit.

Isn't the B18C better than the B18C5? I thought the first was the JDM type r, followed by the USDM type r, then the GSRs B18C1. I could be full of it, but I thought I heard that before. Actually you're probably right, cause I've also heard of B18C3s. I'll probably need correction here. B18C=JDM=200hp+11.0:1 compression and B18C5=USDM=190hp+10.6:1 compression. Seein as how I don't own one, and don't plan on owning one, its not too big a deal that I'm confused by all these, but I think I'll learn eventually.

hey, im new to racing and crap and i just wanted to know what the best engine for a Type-R is? anybody spread some light on the subject? and if not Type-R, then a GSR.

congrats you get the dumbest question of the day award :icon16:

I always do a little research, whether on here or google, before I ask a question, and I ask alot don't get me wrong, but also be very clear on what you're asking, if it sounds like a question that'll get you ragged on, reword it.

sorry if you misunderstood me, for road racing, YES the ITR, much better than any other teg for that purpose, but for drag racing to get any real power youd have to completely rebuild the engine wiht stronger internals and/or drop the sompression way down to run any decent amount of boost through it. thats why the GSR/LS would be better for a drag integra. and the B18C is the JDM GSR and ITR engine, over ythere they dont have the numbers aftrewards, I think thew GSR is 180HP and the ITR is 200HP and here it is 170/195 and they are distinguished by the 1 and the 5. I have also read once where they were listing what engines this part would fir(dont remember what) and they listed B18C1/3/5. Ive bnever heard of it anywhere else but... :dunno:

and to go fatser you want this, to be lighter, to have more power, and to have good traction. adding weight to it would be dumb.

yeah, i know my question sounded really stupid. must have not have been thinking. ok so the b18c is a good engine, but where can i get a good deal on one, cuz i was talking to some dude and he was saying 6 grand.....im not that up to date on car engines and prices but that seems pretty high. My friend was looking into getting a skyline engine (rb120 or something) for about 5 grand. sooooo can you spread some light on that for me? is 6 grand about right or is the guy a friggin rip off?

6k for a b18c5 is WAY too much. should be around the price of 4-5k depending on taxes/shipping etc...

u don't need a motor swap though buddy. if u purchase an integra type r, then it comes stock with the b18c5 which 94 has so nicely explained it's major advantages and weaknesses.

if u want to drag race, get the gsr or ls (the gsr comes with the b18c1 motor stock, the ls comes with the b18b1 motor stock)-assuming u want the 3rd gen integra.

if u want auto-crossing or any type of road racing, then the integra type r is by far the most dominant of the integras.<----that is all that 94 was saying....

ok, that explains alot. Now another question haha. what are the differences between a GSR and a type-r? are there only certain mods you can get for a GSR that you cant get for a type R or what? i know it sounds really stupid but like if you buy a body kit for a GSR theres no way you could put it on a type-R right?

ok, that explains alot. Now another question haha. what are the differences between a GSR and a type-r? are there only certain mods you can get for a GSR that you cant get for a type R or what? i know it sounds really stupid but like if you buy a body kit for a GSR theres no way you could put it on a type-R right?

never done it myslef but i think when you buy a body kit it is for a certain yea rintegra, they dsont even ask what model. and the diff's between the ITR and GSR is the ITR has 25HP more, lower gearing, LSD, better stock suspension, 5 lug, ligheterweight because of no moonroof and I think AC might have been an option. it also has a differnt body styling from factory, lip kit, ITR spoiler, and no side moldings. probably a few other differences as well, and I think ive seen a complete B18C5 swap for 4800 bucks on hmotors, and the skylines are RB20DET, RB25DET, RB26DETT. and I think the RB20DET is much much cheaper than 5k, the newer R34 RB26DETT is only like 8k I think. they have the prices of skyline swaps on unstable_hybrids.com but they od not sell swaps anymore by themselves, they install them as well.

yeah, thanks for the info, but even though i might have a car with a b18c5, im pretty sure my friends still gonna kick my ass in his 240sx, hooked up with silvia parts and a RB26DETT engine lol

you sure it is the RB26? cuz I mean, its possible, but im assuming he didnt do it himself or hes really good with cars. and I checked and they get the RB26DETT for 5500 for the old one and thats not including the RWD tranny and other parts for the install. the newer engines run about 8k and you still gotta get a RWD tranny. but yeah, if hes got a RB26DETT powered 240, dont even try and keep up with him in your teg. maybe if yuo boost the hell out of an LS then youll have a chance :evillol:

I actually dont know how fast the 240 would be but I mean come on, a 2.6L I6 twin turbo, it just has to be fast! :iceslolan

dude, thats what im talking about...doesnt the entire engine swap with all the parts and stuff cost about 15K? and if he does get the rb then how should i boost the hell out of my gsr? like i know NOS would help, and the b18c engine, but what else could help it? what kinda intake should i get?

you really need to do some research, if you boost your engine you cant really gret an intake, I mean you can bend piping to go into the location of a CAI kit, but the turbo kit would come with all the piping neded, my suggestion would get LS then if you are gonan try and hang with this guy. get the block sleeved, get some beefed up rods/9:1 pistons, and maybe even a stronger crank but in al of the hotrod honfda engines I see i never hear of anything done to the crank. peice together a custom kit or buy one premade and up the boost to like 18 psi when racing this guy, and keep it down low daily so you can run pump gas wiht no problam and have some reliability to it. and oh yeah one more thing. PRAY!

AHMEN!! lol
so a LS? what would happen if i swap the b18b5 into a ls? would it just fudge it up or nah?

AHMEN!! lol
so a LS? what would happen if i swap the b18b5 into a ls? would it just fudge it up or nah?

don't do it. if u want the b18c5, get a type r to begin with. its not a very good motor for straight-line racing UNLESS u put a ton of money into making sure it can handle the boost.

the ls motor has a low 9:1 compression ratio compared to 10.6:1 for the type r. with the lowered compression AND longer gears, it is a MUCH better base for turbo.

ok that seems like a plan, haha. Now whats with the turbo stages, how does that go hand in hand with the engine upgrades. like would i have to start off with the lowest and move up or can i just get the best turbo upgrade there is and install it that way, like would there have to be parts that co-exist with the turbo that might be in a "smaller" upgrade than wouldnt be in a major upgrade? and if any, which ones are availible for the LS?

You're just full of questions. If you can afford a type r and you hang around kids who can put skyline engines into their 240sx(skylines and 240SX/S14 or S15s are both rear wheel drive. The AWD in a skyline is similar to LSD, only instead of equal power to left and rear wheels, it gives power to front wheels, and monitors the tires like 15 times a second for traction.) If you want to keep up with your buddy. Just go to like SPEngineering, have them build a beefed up as hell B20 Engine, with a beefed up as hell Ported and polished B16A head. Then throw the biggest quickest spooling turbo, throw in a NOS kitt o get it spooling faster, get a badass intercooler, LSD, street slicks and you should be able to beat your friend. It all comes down to who can write the biggest check basically

you can star out wiht the revhard stage 3 or the drag hypo kits first, you just gotta make sure the engine is built for it, going with stage 1 and then upgrading it would be a waste of time and money. just do it right the first time. and yeah get a LS and swap the B20 in keeping the LS head, then there is absolutely NO hassle to install it at all, and turbo that sucker. B20 is a bit weaker sleeved, but thats fixable and you got more displacement for more power :evillol:

hell yeah im full of questions, lol. Ok so, im getting it now...but whats the differences with the b20 engine and the b16a head? like what would be the difference if i just got a b18c engine and a b16 head? would it just not be fast enough or is there compatibility issues and stuff..and about the b20 engine being built, how much would that typically cost??? haha sorry if im putting a burden on you.

the B18C already has a VTEC head on it, swaping to the B16 head would have no advantage except for i think maybe SLIGHTLY higher cr(bad for boost anyways) and ability to run ITR intake manifold. the B20 is a low compression big displacement engine. then you put on the B16 head and you now have the biggest DOHC VTEC B series, except for bored/stroked ones. so you got tons of low end torque and the top end power of VTEC. then with boost youll kick some ass. but again i have no clue how fast that 240 will be.

ok, so i guess it would be a waste of money. so that would be a really good combination,a LS with a b20 engine with b16 head. what do you think the car would run at? 14 seconds?

well a CRX with that would be better for pure speed cuz its gonna be about 700-800 pounds lighter I think, but id reather drive a teg around than a CRX. and depends on how far you go with it, just the head on the block with boltons (I/H/E) then youll see 14's IM almost sure of it, but throw in some high comp pistons, some cames, and some other stuff in the mix, maybe a wet kit, or keep the 8.8's in there strengthen and boost. also about the rods a LSVTEC I saw on a website once was pushing I think 231 WHP and still using the stock rods, and the B20 has the same rods.

sounds cool..so what do you have in your teg? and what is the difference in muffler types, like if you get one with a bigger exit point will that increase HP? what should i look into?

well, all I had was SRI, DC ceramic 4-2-1 header, and 2.5" exhaust(no brand name) but it pulled hard, I raced mid 15 second cars and BARELY LOST, nothing special but for an LS id say its good. not sure how fast 92 SHO'd ar but I could almost hang with one in that car, but dont have it anymore, sold it like 1.5 yrs ago, im on a R1 now and have gotten rid of my other 3 cars, all i got left to get rid of is my hatch listed below(anybody want it, its gotta go) and then I can start my CRVTEC teg project. I am looking at 2nd gen GSR's now since they will have everything i need for a crvtec, put my pistons in and then start from there, not sure if i wanna keep the 11:1's and run a respectable all motor teg, or swap for some forged 9:1's and boost it and smoke this kid with his damn SRT-4. I hate that that this neon just smokes me(well, not on the R1)