New photos of Carl Beal's silver F1...

Ok - these photos aren't really new in the sense that they were taken recently, as I have seen some other photos from this same car show a while ago. In fact, the show date was May 18th 2002.

They are new in the sense that I have never seen them before and I figure that makes them new to most people since I've seen every McLaren photo ever taken, or so it would seem. ;)

If they aren't new to you, then you should have posted them before I did... :p

http://www.anythingcars.com/pics/car_shows/PBAC/images/mclaren_1.jpg

http://www.anythingcars.com/pics/car_shows/PBAC/images/mclaren_2.jpg

http://www.anythingcars.com/pics/car_shows/PBAC/images/mclaren_3.jpg

http://www.anythingcars.com/pics/car_shows/PBAC/images/mclaren_4.jpg

http://www.anythingcars.com/pics/car_shows/PBAC/images/mclaren_5.jpg

http://www.anythingcars.com/pics/car_shows/PBAC/images/mclaren_6.jpg

Enjoy the pics!

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ER

BTW: This is the Midland, TX car that was featured twice in Road & Track magazine and was one of the original 7 Ameritech F1's.

Originally posted by Peloton25
If they aren't new to you, then you should have posted them before I did... :p

i just seen these just a couple of days ago on the askjeeves picture search. i didnt post them, they just dont seem that interesting to me, i only collect the more spectacular and rarer photos...

I have just about every photo I've ever seen stored and cataloged. MY plan is to build a website with the most complete McLaren F1 gallery and info that anyone has ever seen. I haven't officially started building it, but I have been story-boarding it in my head and, of course, scrounging for as much content as possible.

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I guess it won't include shots of the owner's manual!

Haha - very funny!! :p

Actually, it will include a few. I have the ones that he posted with the auction, the ones that he sent me when I inquired about the auction, and I also have a few from an outside source who knows an owner.

Of course, if I had it my way, I'd have every single page scanned. ;)

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I like the square headlights and no passenger seats. Oops, had my DFK blinders on. Gee, I thought all the Amerispec cars were 1995s?

Hahaha - let it go man. This country has bigger political problems than to waste time chasing down a few rich boys and their toys.

You know the car is safe, safer than half the automobiles still rolling down the highways from the '70's and '80's. We know that it's a clean runner, as opposed to a gross polluter. I think we can all agree that it looks a lot better in it's standard configuration as opposed to the alien look the Amerispec Corp mods gave it.

I mean really, what's your motivation in pursuing all of this. :confused: It just seems like a big waste of time, and you certainly aren't making any friends that way...

Oh well... Maybe you have nothing better to do?? ;)

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2840lbs?

I thought 2200-2400 was typical. Why is this one so portly?

Good question - I didn't even notice that... :confused:

Have you guys ever had #007 on a set of corner scales? I'd be interested in hearing the results of that.

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We did to check it but I can't remember what it was!

:nutkick: Not a big fan of Smileys but that seems appropriate.

It's probably a misprint by whoever made the sign.

no, thats not a misprint of the weight in the sign. thats a well-circulated figure. not sure where it came from, but its probably something AmeriTech to make it legal for US sale.

I agree. Probably another lie used by Ameritech to legalize the car.

OMG - and there's three seats in that car too!! :mad:

That's it, I'm writing a letter to my congressman. These law breakers must be stopped... :D :p

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Originally posted by Peloton25
I have just about every photo I've ever seen stored and cataloged. MY plan is to build a website with the most complete McLaren F1 gallery and info that anyone has ever seen. I haven't officially started building it, but I have been story-boarding it in my head and, of course, scrounging for as much content as possible.

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WOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE McLaren STOLE my MAZDA DESIGN!!! :icesangel J/K!!!!!

Actually I hope you don't mind me having some fun with your pictures. Just playing with the pictures becuase this car is SWAAEEETTTT!!!!

http://www.hyattart.com/cartrick/MX3_F1.jpg

http://www.hyattart.com/cartrick/MX3_F1a.jpg

Originally posted by Peloton25
OMG - and there's three seats in that car too!! :mad:

That's it, I'm writing a letter to my congressman. These law breakers must be stopped... :D :p

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dont tell me u just noticed :biggrin2:

we all know that the AmeriTech F1 is supposed to have only 1. but u did not notice in the very pic that u posted? shame :frown:

anyway, if this really is AmeriTech, the owner must have had the seats installed sometime afterward. but wouldnt u have to go all the way to England for that?

i dont think that that is very likely. he could have ordered the seats to be sent or they might not be genuine McLaren seats at all...

It was a joke directed at gerd, the crusader - he has an issue with the process that Amerispec used to certify the Ameritech cars. Of course I've noticed that the car has three seats - it's been in it's original configuration since 1997 when it appeared in the Road&Track article. I guess I should have added some <sarcasm> tags for those who might be confused by my comments.

BTW - the seats in those cars were never removed, Amerispec simply made covers to fit over them. Apparently all the modifications made to the seven Ameritech F1's to make them legal were completed without drilling a single new hole in the cars, so they were easily converted back to stock.

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Originally posted by Peloton25
BTW - the seats in those cars were never removed, Amerispec simply made covers to fit over them. Apparently all the modifications made to the seven Ameritech F1's to make them legal were completed without drilling a single new hole in the cars, so they were easily converted back to stock.

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that has to be one of the dumbest "modifications" made to a car that i ever heard :spit:

I agree completely!! I don't think the cars should have been modified at all. Aparently, the government decided sometime later that it was not necessary for such small and insignificant production runs and enacted the Show&Display legislation.

As far as the side seats are concerned, I don't even understand why they needed to be eliminated. They had the proper 3-point seatbelt installed at the time of manufacturing. It's possible that there was a requirement that those seats have airbags, but then the driver's seat would have required that as well and they didn't install one there. :confused:

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In 1993, McLaren engineer Trevor Buttle wrote to DOT asking about the three seat configuration and whether it would met FMVSS. DOT offered the opinion (legal interpretation) that it would not. End of McLaren bringing the F1 to the US.
Amerispec/tech stated that the seats were removed. I believe that modification is stated in the R&T article as well as other news stories.
Didn't drill any holes? According to the pictures submitted to DOT, the round healights were changed to rectangular ones with drilled and welded mods and the rear section was DRILLED for a steel support piece between the rear bumper and the muffler.
Well, that's what was stated. Of course, we all know the real story, don't we?
History shows us that the manufacturer front has been tried before. Some perpetrators of this go-around are still at it. And some of you offer up the opinion that it's OK if a few rich guys get their cars in, they're not gross polluters, blah, blah, blah. So, tell me oh great ones - what line (laws to break) is it OK to cross according to you?
When Ferrari NA was challenging the gray market Ferrari petition, Rick Goings, the CEO of Tupperware commented on the DOT DMS that he was going to use his corporate power to see that the gray market Ferraris were (politically, IMHO) allowed in. Wonder how he would have reacted if I started importing Tupperware copies, label and all?
Flame away!!!

i almost quoted that whole thing gerd, but i saved myself a beating from peloton and tvrfreak :smile: . Can you explain the tupperware thing again?

Sorry, 1994 was the date although some communications were as far back as 1992.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/gm/92/nht92-6.2.html

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/gm/94/nht94-3.51.html

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/files/7418-2.html

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/gm/92/nht92-5.3.html

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/interps/gm/94/nht94-4.71.html

Rick Goings comments

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p66/142336.tif

gerd- Your comment about the Tupperware copies is simply not a valid argument.

The Euro market cars were manufactured by Ferrari and Ferrari received the selling profits on those cars from the European dealers that sold them - did they not? These cars are not knock-offs as you are proposing with the Tupperware issue - it's not an apples to apples comparison.

All Ferrari was trying to do was protect their North American dealer network's ability to charge ridiculous amounts of markup because of the limited supply of cars to the US. They weren't serving the customer, the enthusiasts, the general public from any kind of safety standpoint, or anyone else with there litigation to prevent those cars from being imported and converted.

It was simply based on greed and that is why they lost in court.

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The Tupperware arguement is valid. Ferrari is a brand name, just like Tupperware. Both are protected under copyright law. Your baseline is whether or not Ferrari received a profit. Now, that's a greedy conclusion.
By US law, Title 49, RI regulations, the gray market "Ferraris" as "manufacturered" by the RIs are what one could describe as knock-offs. They are certainly not a "Ferrari" I would want to own.
The point is that Ferrari has every right, in fact, it has an obligation to it's OEM dealers and customers to support the marque.

Truth be told, Ferrari would just as soon not have to deal with dealerships. In the early 1980s, Porsche tried to cancel all 250+ dealer agreements and wanted to work with the independent shops for service. The dealers took Porsche to court and it never happened. Porsche has tried to do this at least twice since. The Porsche turbo is the most profitable car made. $49K and change to build, $130k+ retail. Porsche has squeezed the dealers to where there is virtually no profit. There are no frills, no cash back, no incentives. During the last few years as I travelled in Europe, in Germany all the OEMs are building large showroom/customer delivery areas. That's where the market is headed.

What court case? I'm not aware that Ferrari lost any court case where petitions are concerned.
If you want to talk about greed, look at what the RIs and ICIs charge for their work. I've been there, been screwed by them. Have you?
There seems to be almost blanket support for "beating the system". Unless it beats you. This is a sad commentary and goes to the heart of why Americans are such easy targets be it illegally importing cars or terroism. Is it getting hot, or is it me?

Ok - it's not worth arguing about to me - that's not why I come here.

I'll only state that the changes I'm aware of being made to these grey market Ferraris don't come close to remanufacturing the car to the point it could/would ever be considered a knock-off.

In response to your comment about "beating the system", think of this...

Maybe people wouldn't have to spend their time/effort/money beating the system if the system was designed to work for/with people. The red tape and seemingly ridiculous guidelines put forth by the EPA, NHTSA, DOT, CARB and other regulatory agencies which govern the automotive industry really make things incredibly difficult for anyone but a large company to wade through properly. The Show & Display legislation have improved this somewhat, but mostly for very high end specialty cars. The little guy still gets the shaft...

Also - did you have to use the "T" word again?? :rolleyes: :confused:

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"T" word?

Terrorism. An invalid argument when it comes to McLaren's but Gerd keeps using it.

ahhh

This car is one of the original Ameritech's it had to have alot of things added/taken away to be made legal. The seats were ordered from McLaren and he put them in shortly after going through customs with it. He saw the car on a trip through Europe and flew his mechanic out there to become certified to work on McLaren's so his personal mechanic can work on his cars. The car has been driving around my hometown for quite some time. It was his daily driver and currently has over 35k miles on it. I can answer just about anything you want to know about the car and i have seen it in person and been in/out and all around it.

If you want more info email me at whodge@simla.colostate.edu and i will fill you in, or just post on here and i will try to make it back often. Also i have more pics if anyone wants them. Soon to come are pics of his new Enzo that he bought, and i already have pictures of his Murcielago.

Thanks,
William

are you kidding will?

POST POST POST them now. Are they taken by you?

-Mike :smokin:

Pics are not all hosted which is why i asked for emails. I'll post the ones i have though.

http://www.engr.colostate.edu/%7Ewhodge/pics/mclaren3.jpg
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/%7Ewhodge/pics/mclarenguage.jpg
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/%7Ewhodge/pics/mclarenmotor.jpg
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/%7Ewhodge/pics/mclarenwill.jpg Me in the car!!
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/%7Ewhodge/pics/murcielago%20mclaren1.jpg Lambo and mclaren

Those are the ones i have hosted. Several more photos, including photo's of the rear of the car torn apart to remove the tranny.

William

From what I understand, it's the driveshaft that needs to be replaced. There are no spares, so it has to be machined, hence the delay and expense.

Carlton Beal goes by Carty. Another generous McLaren owner who is happy to share his car.

From my understanding the car was at the tranny shop that does their race car trannys getting a rebuild and they needed a gear for the inside that sustained some damage and were having to machine it because mclaren will only sell tranny parts in the form of an entirely new tranny. I'll ask them to be sure over thanksgiving.

William

And he does go by carty, his son is carl i believe, carty is what is on the door tag on the body of the mclaren.

William

Can you try to get him to post on here when you meet him next? That would be fantastic!

And yes, please post the pics of the car opened up for surgery. I would love to see them. Thanks!

Anyone know how many other McLarens are in Texas? I know there's the one owned by the MD. Then the Gonzalez is back there, IIRC. Any others?

Hard to post those since they're not hosted and my site is limited and i'm almost at max capacity. Email me at whodge@simla.colostate.edu and i'll send them to you. I'll try to get him on the board but he's usually pretty busy. I mostly talk to his mechanic, but i'll run it by him to see if he thinks Carty would like to post up.

William

will69camaro, how big are the pix? I could probably host them. Email me @ e30evo@yahoo.com

You could email them to me and I will host them - Peloton25@hotmail.com

Or, you can open a free account at Imagestation.com and host your photos there. It's rather simple to set up. Let me know if you need some help.

Thanks for sharing what you have so far! :cool:

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I've been away for a couple of days, so i'm a bit behind. Do we know the chassis number of Beal's McLaren? Great picS BTW. :)

EDIT: ok, its 042. by mistake, ishould have read all the thread titles first. :loser:

You can delete your posts too. There's a small checkbox at the top right when you are in editing mode...this post will disappear after yours does.

:)

My post can help similar idiots who rush into the thread wanting to know the chassis number.

BTW: where's maarten? Scotland beat the Netherlands 1-0 today.

I'll send pics to you after i scan the rear end pics in. Should be by middle next week. I'll send them for someone to host all at once.

William

I was having in dinner with my uncle yesterday in a pizzeria.
a waiter mentioned the match, and his comments were wonderful
he was a real italian, so he spoke with his hands and feet as well, he said the scottish team played with their harts and their souls, for the honour and glory of their country, whereas the dutch' played for the wallet, for the money.
i fully agreed, apart from a few players, the deam doesn't deserve to go the EC with this attitude.
I'm fearing they will win in Amsterdam, that stadium is less than shit btw.

Ok i've talked to the mechanic and i'm going to go by beals shop to see the enzo and hopefully all 3 of his cars will be there, i'll take a picture of the plate where the key goes to let you guys know the chassis number for sure. Also expect several pics of all the cars when i return. Things have been very hectic at school before the break so i will not be able to post the other pics thast i have before i leave.

William

2840lbs?

I thought 2200-2400 was typical. Why is this one so portly?
I'Mnot sure where you got those nummbers but 2840 was on corner scales full load of fuel, Car has larger radiators and radio if that makes any difference.

dont tell me u just noticed :biggrin2:

we all know that the AmeriTech F1 is supposed to have only 1. but u did not notice in the very pic that u posted? shame :frown:

anyway, if this really is AmeriTech, the owner must have had the seats installed sometime afterward. but wouldnt u have to go all the way to England for that?

i dont think that that is very likely. he could have ordered the seats to be sent or they might not be genuine McLaren seats at all...
AMERITEC does that to make the feds happy, the seats headlights ect.. where shiped with car and reinstalled after feds where happy.