US Drifting

What do you guys think about North American drifters? Where do you see it in 5 years? WHo are some of your fav. drivers.

Personally, I think it can go 2 ways.

It will either grow big, and then wannabes will take to the streets and try to drift and kill people, resulting in the death of the sport.

Or said people will try it, crash, fuck up their car, and pussy out, leaving drifting where it is now, a relativley underground kinda thing.

Id rather see a so-called "controlled growth". Id like it to get a bit more recognition from parts manufacturs and shops, but I dont like the publicity that surrounds it. I think it has the ability to grow into a legitimate form of motorsport,and flourish in the US

The worst thing that can happen is companies like APC make cheap "drift" parts, playing the whole thing out, A F&F style movie, or worse yet F&F3 being centered around drifting, or someone dying because of 1 person, and ruining the whole sport for others.

My faviorite drifter in the US is probably Bryan Norris, because he's been into drifting before some people on this board were even born, and much like myself, grew up reading Japanese car magazines wondering what the hell was going on, and looking at the pictures.

Most likely, I think - there will be a brief flurry of popularity, and drifting will be "faddish" then die down, and only devoted enthusiasts and die-hard fans will be left.
Ah, old Japanese text car magazines. I think I still have the issue of Car Graphic that introduces the RX-7 (first generation) and some others hiding somewhere. I couldn't read most of them, but I'd pick the specs out of the text and then calculate things such as Hp per cubic inch, and power to weight ratios.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
Most likely, I think - there will be a brief flurry of popularity, and drifting will be "faddish" then die down, and only devoted enthusiasts and die-hard fans will be left.
Ah, old Japanese text car magazines. I think I still have the issue of Car Graphic that introduces the RX-7 (first generation) and some others hiding somewhere. I couldn't read most of them, but I'd pick the specs out of the text and then calculate things such as Hp per cubic inch, and power to weight ratios.

OMG! I had a subscription to Car Graphic and MotorFan for 3 years! My mom threw them away and im DESPERATELY trying to find them now...wanna sell them? PM me

derek you basically took my sentiments with your post. as long as APC doesn't make any "drift" parts and F&F stays the fuck away, we should be ok...let's just hope the fad passes through relativley quickly so only us die-hards will be left.

my personal fave US driver would either be Ernie Fixmer or Ken Gushi. Gushi moved to Cali from Japan when he was only 4, and is now only 16, yet he already has an SR powered S13 coupe with a Kaaz LSD, and was one of the 8 driver's selected for the US D1 GP. he doesn't even have his road license yet. much respect to someone like that.

Are you all fucking joking? You all know whats going to happen when it hits the US. The same fucking thing that happened to the import scene. Its going to be taken over by US rip-off brand companies such as APC and EVERYONE is going to own a drift car. There will be few devoted fans who speak out against such acts such as many of us here. Look at imports, it started out with a few kids who were like "Dude, maybe if we strap some parts from the japanese domestic market on our cars their performance will be increased.", now its "Dude, I just got these sick APC tailights...they make me look fast. And while I was at AutoZone, I also picked up a cool Type R emblem and a Ractive muffler." WTF! The same fucking thing WILL happen to drifting in the US and yes, if it errupts in the next 2 years, F&F3 WILL revolve around drifting. Only few hardcore fans will remain among the US drifting scene...

what scares me the most is that stupid kids will try drifting on the street.....


i mean they get in accidents during drag races in parking lots or at stop lights.....and that is in a straight line.....WTF are they going to do when they'll try drifting......

well you all say 2f2f right? that wasnt in a straight line, more of blocked off road circuit. so looks like thigns are evovling away from straight lines even in the movie scene. drifting seems to be the next new thing. but it could go either way. but street driftting is proally gonna be inevitable with the careless people and retard ricers out there. and companies like apc are proally gonna jump on the market just to make more money. thats all that matters to these companies. money.

i believe it will be more talked about than tried b/c not everyone can do it.....i see accidents happening from people "trying it" but not really on public streets b/c most people are willing to loose control in a parking lot rather than on the blvd. it'd be cool if there was like a week long class u can take on it:bigthumb:

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
i believe it will be more talked about than tried b/c not everyone can do it.....i see accidents happening from people "trying it" but not really on public streets b/c most people are willing to loose control in a parking lot rather than on the blvd. it'd be cool if there was like a week long class u can take on it:bigthumb:

week long? You gotta be joking. Look at Bryan Norris. He was selected for the D1 GP, and Nomu-ken regards him as an equal in terms of driving. Its taken him 10 years to get where he's been.

WHY NOT A WEEK:confused: u take ithe class for a week to learn the jest of it, take ur manual and then u go out and practice till perfection....wouldn't expect a class that would teach u till you got it right:grinno:

don't u guys know yet?!?!??!?! Team Orange in Japan is now bought out by APC! puahahhahahah!

WHen you go to U.S. D1 you'll see their cars with APC stickers *I think thats about it*

Anyway, just news for ya! see ya at D1 .... lol:bigthumb:

Originally posted by RiceRocket
don't u guys know yet?!?!??!?! Team Orange in Japan is now bought out by APC! puahahhahahah!

WHen you go to U.S. D1 you'll see their cars with APC stickers *I think thats about it*

Anyway, just news for ya! see ya at D1 .... lol:bigthumb:


OMG!! You gotta be joking. I knew SOMETHING was up when I saw them as a "featured sponsor".

WTF are they gonna do drift the Eltanra and Tiburon?!?!?!?

no...a Kia Spectra:lol:

pfft...Spectra.

Everyone knows the Rio 0wnz0r b1tch3z

no man, they're still using their original cars... rx7 s15, etc... but they're just sponsored now by APC... i think APC knows that none of their products will withstand drifting... but i'm sure they want to capture the market in Japan also... thats why they're doing this... so no worries.! :biggrin2:

Originally posted by RiceRocket
no man, they're still using their original cars... rx7 s15, etc... but they're just sponsored now by APC... i think APC knows that none of their products will withstand drifting... but i'm sure they want to capture the market in Japan also... thats why they're doing this... so no worries.! :biggrin2:

no worries? as far as i'm concerned, the world is officially over. good night!

God, I cant wait to see one of their products suffer a catastrophic failue, resulting in the damage of a car, and then everyone hates APC :D

Drifting, I believe, will remain "underground" as Dorikin hopes because of one simple fact: You cannot buy a good drift.

Think about it. Drag racing is won by cubic dollars. Not winning this week? Crack open the pocketbook and buy the latest parts. Still not winning? New car, higher class, different fuel....

It all leads up to cubic dollars=low elapsed time. (bracket racers can disagree with me here)

Drifting, on the other hand, requires the actual ability to drive a car well. A ratted-out 1978 Chevette Scooter with four bald tires can make for a top-notch drifter if the driver knows what they're doing. (yes, Dorikin, a Chevette can drift, it's FR, torquey, and dead-nuts reliable). Street punk
poseurs could never get into a scene where they can be shown up by some moneyless maestro in an ancient Chevy subcompact. It's not "stylin".

Do I think that there's going to be a fad and public backlash? Yeah, mostly because I've seen it happen in Hawaii. But I have every doubt that drifting will capture the interest of the Altezza-taillight, backwards upside-down vizor crowd very long. After all, drifting is slow anyways. (c'mon, it's 25mph sideways or 130mph straightline, which is a punk going to be more impressed by?)

Why settle for a Chevette when you could go all the way with a 1983 Toyota Starlet? Or an AMC pacer?

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
Why settle for a Chevette when you could go all the way with a 1983 Toyota Starlet? Or an AMC pacer?

Man, me and Brian have talked about KP61 starlets but theyre rare as hell here.

Also Octagon, Brian was gonna get a Chevette to use as a practice car.

What about a Merkur XRT-4i? RWD and turbo

My mom had a Chevette...I wouldnt say there reliable lol.

Originally posted by RiceRocket
no man, they're still using their original cars... rx7 s15, etc... but they're just sponsored now by APC... i think APC knows that none of their products will withstand drifting... but i'm sure they want to capture the market in Japan also... thats why they're doing this... so no worries.! :biggrin2:

Well, obviously thier products couldn't withstand drifting...just look at the fucking shit they sell. Body kits for Saturn IONS!? Wtf...thats the ugliest car ever!

APC = Ricers wet dream. How can the APC lot get involved with drifting they don't make a thing that would be of any use.

what are your talkign about APC makes those sick stickers! 25hp each. atleast. :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by ImportFreak
what are your talkign about APC makes those sick stickers! 25hp each. atleast. :lol: :lol:

I'm gonna put some on my legs and do the 100m in like 3 seconds.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


I'm gonna put some on my legs and do the 100m in like 3 seconds.

you better get some leg reinforcing though cuz i'm not sure they can handle the boost on stock bones

Originally posted by Neutrino


you better get some leg reinforcing though cuz i'm not sure they can handle the boost on stock bones

i'm gonna replace the bone marrow with titanium.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


i'm gonna replace the bone marrow with titanium.

sleeve the bones too just to be on the safe side:bigthumb:

I live in Okinawa Japan. I love drifiting since I was little. (before people in the States knew about it.) I don't want people in the States to drift for several reasons: 1) they can't tell the difference between powersliding and the art of Drifting. 2) they are irresponsible with motorsports (illegal drag racing) 3) they'll taint the sport by changing the techniques to fit THEIR ideas of drifting.

I believe true drifting is the old school drift races in mountains on tight and curving roads, Hondas can't compete because of their short drift spans and Domestic cars are too big to fit on the roads and too heavy for complete drift balance.

I hope drifting will stay "underground" for the true drifters and the posers can take their neon lights, Nos and go drive a straight line and leave the true challenges of the street to the drifters.

That's funny, because as far as I know the techniques debuted in the days of Hans Stuck (the first), Giuseppe Farina, and other greats from the bygone era of front engine F1 who used braking and shifting techniques to swing their low grip, high-power machines around tight bends on the grand old circuits like the Nordschliffe at Nurburgring and through the Gasworks at Monte Carlo.

"Tainting the sport" won't happen because people with Camaros and Mustangs want to try out drifting, too and will hence develop techniques more specific to Yank tanks. That's called evolution. What about the drift scene in Australia? Are you saying that the Commodore guys aren't drifting? And, say, isn't the Toyota Chaser, a luxury sedan about the size of a Lincoln LS or a Cadillac CTS, a favorite amongst drifters? That pretty much destroys your "Domestics are too big" argument.

As for being irresponsible with motorsports.... it seems to me that drifting (and racing in general) in Japan isn't limited to the track, either. Direct civil disobedience, no matter what country you're in, is indeed irresponsible. Now, if you'd pointed to an orginization like the USHRA (U.S. Hot Rod Association) which sanctions stadium monster truck events, maybe you'd be onto something.

We Yanks who've been running sprints and midgets on dirt since Indy was paved with bricks do know a thing or two about drifting. Maybe not as a sport unto itself, but certainly the techniques involved are as ingrained into this culture as they are into Japan's...

... and the French tarmac rally specialists, and the English rallycrossers, and the Scandinavian rallyers, and German drivers who tackle the Nordschliffe, and any country where hillclimbs are still popular...

I appreciate your reponse and I'll keep what you said in consideration. I believe in drifting not powersliding. It is not just sliding around in a corner. It is a controlled slide in a series of unpredicteable corners, not once gaining traction. Using highpowered machines going at high speeds and skidding around corners is not what i believe is true drifting. As to the chaser, who much does the Lincoln weight? if it weights as much as the chaser than I stand corrected. If the lincoln is as wide as the chaser than I stand corrected. Now, I'm not saying that people should not drift no, drift to your hearts desire but, don't associate drifting with japanese drifting with techniques that aren't used by Japnese drifters. Once it goes to US and becomes really popular then people will mess it up. Like the whole import japanese car scene. They tainted the image of Japnese cars, people now see them as glowing, nos breathing, "rice". I really like Japanese drifting and I don't want to see Japnese drifting's name get ruined. Now I haven't seen the sport drifting being done in US until D-1 and some Japanese-Americans now and then in the track. Thats when people associate drifting of all types to Japanese drifting, once it turns commerical...god...it will turn something good into shit. Thats what I'm against.

Originally posted by Octagon

"Tainting the sport" won't happen because people with Camaros and Mustangs want to try out drifting, too and will hence develop techniques more specific to Yank tanks. That's called evolution. What about the drift scene in Australia? Are you saying that the Commodore guys aren't drifting?

Domestic drifting is awesome maing, people in Hawaii, where the US drift scene was pretty much born, do it all the time.

Commodore drifting :ylsuper:

P.S. Street-R Ever heard of a crew in Oki called Velocity or Murder?

Originally posted by Octagon
That's funny, because as far as I know the techniques debuted in the days of Hans Stuck (the first), Giuseppe Farina, and other greats from the bygone era of front engine F1 who used braking and shifting techniques to swing their low grip, high-power machines around tight bends on the grand old circuits like the Nordschliffe at Nurburgring and through the Gasworks at Monte Carlo.

"Tainting the sport" won't happen because people with Camaros and Mustangs want to try out drifting, too and will hence develop techniques more specific to Yank tanks. That's called evolution. What about the drift scene in Australia? Are you saying that the Commodore guys aren't drifting? And, say, isn't the Toyota Chaser, a luxury sedan about the size of a Lincoln LS or a Cadillac CTS, a favorite amongst drifters? That pretty much destroys your "Domestics are too big" argument.

As for being irresponsible with motorsports.... it seems to me that drifting (and racing in general) in Japan isn't limited to the track, either. Direct civil disobedience, no matter what country you're in, is indeed irresponsible. Now, if you'd pointed to an orginization like the USHRA (U.S. Hot Rod Association) which sanctions stadium monster truck events, maybe you'd be onto something.

We Yanks who've been running sprints and midgets on dirt since Indy was paved with bricks do know a thing or two about drifting. Maybe not as a sport unto itself, but certainly the techniques involved are as ingrained into this culture as they are into Japan's...

... and the French tarmac rally specialists, and the English rallycrossers, and the Scandinavian rallyers, and German drivers who tackle the Nordschliffe, and any country where hillclimbs are still popular...

again...:rolleyes:

W.the exception of Sprint cars, I must agree.

Brian, it is drifting, just not in the D1 sense.

If only there'd be a good hillclimb event near where I live...
Anyway, I don't think that people are going to associate all types of drifting with "Japanese drifting" because whereas Japanese drifting, is for the purpose of drifting - in other motorsports it's not specifically about the drift, so drifting in other areas of motorsports will remain associated with their respective sport.

The whole drifting "scene" is becoming so pretentious and fake, and its growth has barely began...

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
If only there'd be a good hillclimb event near where I live...
Anyway, I don't think that people are going to associate all types of drifting with "Japanese drifting" because whereas Japanese drifting, is for the purpose of drifting - in other motorsports it's not specifically about the drift, so drifting in other areas of motorsports will remain associated with their respective sport.

exactly. i personally find Octagon is taking it a bit to the extreme claiming that the old-skool F1 boys invented the art of drifting as we know it. sure, they may have slid their cars around, but that's been happening since cars have been around, so technically Karl Benz can be acredited with the birth of drifting. :icon16: there's totally different techniques involved, totally different cars, totally different set-ups, drivers, tracks, surfaces etc. it's not the same thing.

Originally posted by S13_Iketani


exactly. i personally find Octagon is taking it a bit to the extreme claiming that the old-skool F1 boys invented the art of drifting as we know it. sure, they may have slid their cars around, but that's been happening since cars have been around, so technically Karl Benz can be acredited with the birth of drifting. :icon16: there's totally different techniques involved, totally different cars, totally different set-ups, drivers, tracks, surfaces etc. it's not the same thing.

Ya, I mean, an F1 car is different. Mid-engined turbo V10 on slicks...

Ok, I can see rally and stuff, F1 is kinda extreme.

Brian, Karl Benz is teh JDM Dorikin y0, everyone knows that. Didnt you see the Option Video, with him, and his Model 62?? Holy shit mang, I want the MOMO tiller, and those Advan wooden spoked wheels :eek:

Originally posted by Dorikin


Ya, I mean, an F1 car is different. Mid-engined turbo V10 on slicks...



no turbo since the late 80's......and they don't have slicks anymore...they are forced to have grooves.....

Ahem, straight from the mouth of Il Commendatore himself...

"At the first bend, I had the clear sensation that Tazio had taken it badly and that we would end up in the ditch; I felt myself stiffen as I waited for the crunch. Instead, we found ourselves on the next straight with the car in a perfect position. I looked at him, his rugged face was calm, just as it always was, and certainly not the face of someone who had just escaped a hair-raising spin. I had the same sensation at the second bend. By the fourth or fifth bend I began to understand; in the meantime, I had noticed that through the entire bend Tazio did not lift his foot from the accelerator, and that, in fact, it was flat on the floor. As bend followed bend, I discovered his secret. Nuvolari entered the bend somewhat earlier than my driver's instinct would have told me to. But he went into the bend in an unusual way: with one movement he aimed the nose of the car at the inside edge, just where the curve itself started. His foot was flat down, and he had obviously changed down to the right gear before going through this fearsome rigmarole. In this way he put the car into a four-wheel drift, making the most of the thrust of the centrifugal force and keeping it on the road with the traction of the driving wheels. Throughout the bend the car shaved the inside edge, and when the bend turned into the straight the car was in the normal position for accelerating down it, with no need for any corrections."

The page I got it from (http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/art_of_driving.htm)

And this is the Alfa Romeo he drove back when Enzo Ferrari managed the Alfa F1 team. http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/nuvo17.jpg

I'd say what Ferrari saw from his seat as a riding mechanic was a true drifting technique.

Originally posted by Octagon
Ahem, straight from the mouth of Il Commendatore himself...

"At the first bend, I had the clear sensation that Tazio had taken it badly and that we would end up in the ditch; I felt myself stiffen as I waited for the crunch. Instead, we found ourselves on the next straight with the car in a perfect position. I looked at him, his rugged face was calm, just as it always was, and certainly not the face of someone who had just escaped a hair-raising spin. I had the same sensation at the second bend. By the fourth or fifth bend I began to understand; in the meantime, I had noticed that through the entire bend Tazio did not lift his foot from the accelerator, and that, in fact, it was flat on the floor. As bend followed bend, I discovered his secret. Nuvolari entered the bend somewhat earlier than my driver's instinct would have told me to. But he went into the bend in an unusual way: with one movement he aimed the nose of the car at the inside edge, just where the curve itself started. His foot was flat down, and he had obviously changed down to the right gear before going through this fearsome rigmarole. In this way he put the car into a four-wheel drift, making the most of the thrust of the centrifugal force and keeping it on the road with the traction of the driving wheels. Throughout the bend the car shaved the inside edge, and when the bend turned into the straight the car was in the normal position for accelerating down it, with no need for any corrections."

The page I got it from (http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/art_of_driving.htm)

And this is the Alfa Romeo he drove back when Enzo Ferrari managed the Alfa F1 team. http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/nuvo17.jpg

I'd say what Ferrari saw from his seat as a riding mechanic was a true drifting technique.

:ylsuper:

Tazio Nuvolario :ylsuper:

Originally posted by Octagon
Ahem, straight from the mouth of Il Commendatore himself...

"At the first bend, I had the clear sensation that Tazio had taken it badly and that we would end up in the ditch; I felt myself stiffen as I waited for the crunch. Instead, we found ourselves on the next straight with the car in a perfect position. I looked at him, his rugged face was calm, just as it always was, and certainly not the face of someone who had just escaped a hair-raising spin. I had the same sensation at the second bend. By the fourth or fifth bend I began to understand; in the meantime, I had noticed that through the entire bend Tazio did not lift his foot from the accelerator, and that, in fact, it was flat on the floor. As bend followed bend, I discovered his secret. Nuvolari entered the bend somewhat earlier than my driver's instinct would have told me to. But he went into the bend in an unusual way: with one movement he aimed the nose of the car at the inside edge, just where the curve itself started. His foot was flat down, and he had obviously changed down to the right gear before going through this fearsome rigmarole. In this way he put the car into a four-wheel drift, making the most of the thrust of the centrifugal force and keeping it on the road with the traction of the driving wheels. Throughout the bend the car shaved the inside edge, and when the bend turned into the straight the car was in the normal position for accelerating down it, with no need for any corrections."

The page I got it from (http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/art_of_driving.htm)

And this is the Alfa Romeo he drove back when Enzo Ferrari managed the Alfa F1 team. http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/nuvo17.jpg

I'd say what Ferrari saw from his seat as a riding mechanic was a true drifting technique.

wanna cookie? it's still 2 different things and that is a form of drifting used to help shave time. drifting these days as it's own seperate motorsport is all about show-man-ship and driver skill. who cares what track time you get? that's not what you're judged on. but think what you want, i honestly don't care any more.

Just because it isn't for show does not mean it isn't drifting. If anything, the practical use of drifting is more admirable than doing it "just cuz"
Like the point I made earlier, drifting is more than just getting sideways for fun and show - not that having fun showing off is bad at all, as it can be just as entertaining, if not more so than the "practical" uses of drifting.

Originally posted by Octagon
Maybe not as a sport unto itself, but certainly the techniques involved are as ingrained into this culture as they are into Japan's...


That was the key statement from my earlier post. You must've missed it. I fully acknowledge that drifting is both a technique and a sport. But that distinction seems to be lost on many. Brian, of course drift competitions are for style and display of ability. Leaning out of your car door mid-drift certainly isn't going to shave a few tenths off a lap time, but it looks hella cool.

I love watching the videos my teammate digs up of past drift competitions and seeing the wacky stuff guys try to pull of to garner those last few style points. It's a whole different idea then the drifting used in other motorsport. But, to me, that doesn't render other types irrelevant.

alright alright, i agree that they're not irrellevant. i just don't think that the F1 guys/dirt racers can be held totally responsible for drifting as we know it today. that's a little out there...

Greetings from Mainland Japan.

When an F1 driver sets his shit sideways 15 feet before an S-turn swings the ass end out, counters and slides through the second half of the s-turn, I will say there is drifting in f1 or other forms of racing. A single corner does not constitute drifting.

Drifting is not fast, and wouldnt make sense in a competitive race... you would end up with burned up tires and a rear end sliding all over the place from your melted ass tires.

but beyond that.

If street drift ever even got a little popularity in the states, i would be so impressed. Those are the real drifters. Real men on real roads. Not pussies in parking lots.

D1 is gay, it is the sorriest show of circuit babies I have ever seen in my life. Sure i have been to the circuit quite a few times, (ok a whole bunch) but at least I maintain some public road skills, and it shows.

As far as different cars... you can drift any car you want! I always wanted to drift an oldschool caddy on some reverse gold spokes.... just mad phat... but some cars are better for drift as in any motorsport... the big luxury sedans just feel numb when you drift them. TourerV's arent that heavy, but they have a really long wheelbase and a lot of power... so they are easy to drift... not as easy as s13 though; s13 drifts itself.

I drifted a Nissan Cima for a while, very weak body, total numbness, i struggled with drifting that pos for almost a year... very slow progression in skill, got an FC and was able to do lots of stuff i could only dream of in Cima. Every car handles totally differently, some are better for some things... some for others.

S13 is all around ok, i just wont have one for a while on the principle i think they are a sellout car :) hahah... unless you honestly like s13's. But it seems most people decide their cars are too hard to drift, and move to s13... i probably will eventually (after all thats why i quit cimas)

If i was gonna run touge all the time i would go s13, FC, or AE86... pretty good touge cars... BUT i wont drive 2 doors....

SO now I have the 4 door, OG Laurel!

I dont hate on american drift, I hate on american NON-DRIFT. It isnt anything about you guys being IN america. Even here most americans just sit around talk about drift, and watch it. Not many people have the actual balls to get out there. There are some REALLY good american drifters here.... but 99.5% like watching and talking. Seems the same in states.

Now australian drift?? Hahah that goes with my redneck theory, every where in the world, racing is really redneck racing. Japanese rednecks, Australian rednecks, American rednecks! (not to call myself a Redneck) so it can go anywhere, i have seen some australia footage, and at least it wasnt a parking lot. So you guys still have a chance in my book.

america is doomed to Wal-Marts every other sunday or whatever

MATT!! GOD!!

Dude, its Derek aka Uncle Rehmus aka Battle Jew SPL. Hit me up on PM, havent talked in ages.

Drop by the 240SX forums too, maybe you can whip them into shape

Matt, what's up? it's driftRPS13 from the Velocity boards. rong time no talk.

i totally agree with most of what you said. i personally don't think D1 is for pussies...i think those guys have to be proven street drifters before they get selected...but either way.

i agree that the S13 is becoming a sell-out car. i have liked it for 5-6 years now, so i'm not really one of the guys who can be considered selling it out...although i don't even have one right now.

and i DEFINITLEY agree with the "all talk" people on this continent. unfortunatley, all i can do is talk right now until i get rid of my Tempest and get a 240 after my court date in September.

I haven't said that there's drifting in modern F1, Kanto King. I've been talking about the old front-engine days of formula one. You know, before John Cooper and those little Cooper-Climaxes with their 1.5L fours and independent rear suspensions changed the world?

Of course drifting in the States is in a state of infancy. It's really only now becoming understood. It'll take a lot of time before anything really notable is made out of the scene because it hasn't been around for there to be "old pros", so to speak. Look at traditional hot rodding. The scenes for that have been around so long that some of them (like Woodward Avenue and Van Nuys Boulevard) have been copyrighted.

Given time, I'm sure that the craze and posing will level off and it'll become a respectable hobby. This always happens with motorsport.

Remember Pro Street cars in the 80's? For about five years, every car in the world grew a wing, a blower, and a massive pair of rear slicks. Most of these cars couldn't run under their own power, let alone turn the 8second passes that would justify their wings and slicks, but there they were. Nowadays, though, those cars aren't around anymore because the fad passed. (the new fad is "Pro Touring", but that's a whole different rant)

As for the "parking lot" ramblings, well, where else do you suggest? Unfortunately, geographically speaking, the roads here stateside just aren't laid out in a way that suits drifting unless you're talking long power chokudoris. There's some nice sweeping roads here and there, but most all of it is straight two-three lane asphalt. Makes me wish I lived in Corsica. Besides, any chance I get to take it off the street I take. Losing limb or license for a spot of fun isn't my cup of tea. Pussy or not, at least I get a chance to stop, scope the course and strap on my helmet.

Oh, and S13-Iketani. I'm still waiting for my cookie.

Hi everyone.

As far as stateside drift evolving.... japan was all street. Then turned into Circuit...

d1? you know its rigged right? haha

As far as statside roads, if someone really wanted to, they could find something. Not every road in this country is suited for drifting, but every road suited for drifting in this country has big ass orange poles int he middle, raised centerlines (about 2 inch), or alternating stripes that either grip or slip.

yeah, lets all go out to the street and "drift" thats how the japanese do it.

yay!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by KantoKing

If street drift ever even got a little popularity in the states, i would be so impressed. Those are the real drifters. Real men on real roads. Not pussies in parking lots.


Hmmmm, parking lots? What are those? I live in a semi-rural area we've got hills and plenty of curves, and few other motorists on the roads out here, though until recently alot of the roads were still unpaved (taught me that as ugly as they are, stone guards, and mud-flaps are worth while)
But not all people live in hilly/mountain areas like myself, just because the easiest thing they have to slide around in is a parking lot doesn't make them "pussies" IMHO. I'd rather that they do this in a deserted parking lot, than on a public road in a residential area.
Interesting redneck theory by the way...

Originally posted by RiceRocket
yeah, lets all go out to the street and "drift" thats how the japanese do it.

yay!:rolleyes:

Gotta side with you on this one.

Matt, street drift here would fuckin suck. I dont think you understand how far up our anuses the cops would be if it went down wrong.

I swear people are hella sensitive here, if they hear anything such as tires screeching they call the fuckin police (it's happened before near my street). Big parking lots are the only outlet for drifting around here, i.e. Candle Stick Park.

Dont they hold Auto-X at candle stick?

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