FF can't drift huh? Thread part 2

http://www.squaredirect.com/temp/kcardrift.zip

save, unzip and watch. :comprage1

great that's awesome...I havn't even watched it yet..yeah i've also seen twin Subaru REX's with 60 Horsepower ass dragging rather nicely around the track..but the point remains..drifting is a continuous flowing motion...The FWD cars cannot sustain such motion..therefore they can't drift..

---Edit---

THIS IS THE SAME VIDEO..HAHAHA "K-Car?" WTF is this K-Car crap?..IT's a Subaru REX..
IT says it right on the back:biggrin2:

OMG Shinez, are u stupid or are u stupid? WATCH IT! u dont even know what a K-car is? Maybe u need to update your option video collection.

hahahahahah

I have the video man...trust me...Listen to the cars...hear how HIGH they're revving just to get down the straight away
and the minute the drivers lock the back 1 WHEEL...Did you notice how only 1 wheel was attached to the brake cable...For 1 that was probably so the car wouldn't flip in the corners...Anywho...The minute the brake was engaged the RPM's dropped to like 2.....And the second the ebrake was disengaged the back end whipped back in sync with the front end...then they had to re-engage the e-brake....which means it's not flowing....which means..it's not a drift.

Originally posted by Shinez
I have the video man...trust me...Listen to the cars...hear how HIGH they're revving just to get down the straight away
and the minute the drivers lock the back 1 WHEEL...Did you notice how only 1 wheel was attached to the brake cable...For 1 that was probably so the car wouldn't flip in the corners...Anywho...The minute the brake was engaged the RPM's dropped to like 2.....And the second the ebrake was disengaged the back end whipped back in sync with the front end...then they had to re-engage the e-brake....which means it's not flowing....which means..it's not a drift.


riiiighhhhtt.... its all about the flow... i gotcha :bigthumb:

drifting is about car control and the utilization of different techniques to achieve rear slip and proper angle... drivers utilize the e-brake more than once to create the desired angle and to re-pitch their vehicles... does this mean they're not drifting since they're not flowing by your standards? c'mon. your definition is flawed due to the fact that there are many kinds of drifting technique... does your definition include 4 wheel drift? understeer drift? although fwd drift cannot maintain the same length as rwd vehicles, it is still in the very pure essence... a drift.

why is there another one of these....we all know that fwd cannot drift they slide/ass drag/fly swat what ever you want to call it..and theres already an fwd drifting tread so why make another?

i'm sure they can drift better .... errr ass drag than both of you

that was more of slide with light whipping action....but yeah it looks a little better than when i try to drift

*Edit* but i looks a hella lot better then that honda shit someone put up awhile back

Yeah..You're right..they can azz dragg better than me, because I wouldn't get caught dead heading up my brake cable for no reason..Because it's a pain in the azz to replace....And it's retarded to azz dragg anyway...FWD cars can't drift...And yes it is about flowing..How many professionals out there drive their cars in jerky movements? When was the last time someone won a D1 Grand prix by having their back end jerk back and forth everytime the brake was applied?...You're just too close minded to realize it, and you're making a joke out of the wrong things...Smartness..:bigthumb: :loser:

i think you are the one who is close minded. Saying that FWD cannot drift! Ha! "Flowing" --- whatever. How many D1 competitions or for that matter, drift competitions have you been to? Smoothness, speed and angle and show will win you D1 but it doesn't mean that if you jerk that your not drifting... that statement right there does not make any sense. You are trying to stick with your theory of "flow" as a definition of drifting even though it clearly does not apply to everything. You know why? it's because you want to disapprove of FWD drift and that right there is being close minded.

And i'm making fun of you guys talking about ass dragging, even if the ones DRIFTING their cars are able to do it smoothly with a "minor" jerk due to weight transfer and pitching. Depending on the angle, there are times where there will be jerkyness so this totally disapproves your theory of "flow" or smoothness... so your definition is flawed.

drifting is the controlled and induced loss of traction of a vehicle... that's it! may it be through an apex, a 180 turn or whatever... it does not say only for RWD, only for AWD, only for MR, FR cars... nor does it say you have to drift at a certain speed, or no jerkyness at a certain degree or whatever... to include those in a definition is stupid and open for critcism specially from more knowledgable people.

This is my last post on this thread since i'm sure you guys are true to what you feel. But if you can't even truly drift your car since your e-brake cable might be broke... or you might waste your tires... i say to you.... hahahahhahaaahha...

don't worry, this is only the internet. i'm sure you feel confident of your skills and knowledge in TRUE DRIFTING .... oooohhhhhh makes me shiver.

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Lol...Funny how you supposedly end it with your word...Anyway.
First off...I'm not being close minded as I said earlier...I'm simply seeing the truths in their entirety, you however are in a pure state of denial..You're right..I havn't BEEN to many D1 competitions...I've been to 2 actually...However I have SEEN plenty, and in all the one's i've witnessed I've yet to see a FWD car take ANY place let alone first...Hell, has a FWD ever made it past the intial trials in D1 history?

A Front wheel drive car cannot sustain a drift...it's impossible for it to unless it's front brakes are COMPLETLY inactive, and then the car wouldn't be legal in ANY sort of competition, or track...
If a car hops out of it's slide 1/4 of the way or 1/2 through the corner..it's not a complete drift is it?...from what you're saying I can go into any corner and get my tires to slip for 3 inches and it be a drift, I didn't sustain it at all...but...it's a drift, simply because my back wheels slid out of aline...That's a stereotypical Import Tuner kid's response to the question "What is drifting"


It's nice to know that there are still stubborn people out there in the world..It makes for easier arguments.:lol: :lol:

whatever you say mr drifter x. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Shinez
Lol...Funny how you supposedly end it with your word...Anyway.
First off...I'm not being close minded as I said earlier...I'm simply seeing the truths in their entirety, you however are in a pure state of denial..You're right..I havn't BEEN to many D1 competitions...I've been to 2 actually...However I have SEEN plenty, and in all the one's i've witnessed I've yet to see a FWD car take ANY place let alone first...Hell, has a FWD ever made it past the intial trials in D1 history?

A Front wheel drive car cannot sustain a drift...it's impossible for it to unless it's front brakes are COMPLETLY inactive, and then the car wouldn't be legal in ANY sort of competition, or track...
If a car hops out of it's slide 1/4 of the way or 1/2 through the corner..it's not a complete drift is it?...from what you're saying I can go into any corner and get my tires to slip for 3 inches and it be a drift, I didn't sustain it at all...but...it's a drift, simply because my back wheels slid out of aline...That's a stereotypical Import Tuner kid's response to the question "What is drifting"


It's nice to know that there are still stubborn people out there in the world..It makes for easier arguments.:lol: :lol:

Shinze does have a point...:thefinger

Originally posted by DoriftoSX
why is there another one of these....we all know that fwd cannot drift they slide/ass drag/fly swat what ever you want to call it..and theres already an fwd drifting tread so why make another?

You're the reason that another was made. People like you are trying so hard to be elitist "D1 dorifutos" you won't realize that front wheel drive cars can drift until you see it in D1. I've never been to a D1 competition, I'll tell you that now. I've never even watched one on my computer. I don't own any Option videos or magazines. They cannot teach you to drift. It's a waste of my time and money. The only way you're going to learn is to get in a car, go to a track and do it.

You guys keep saying the same things. All front wheel drive cars do is "ass drag" and it's not real drifting "because it doesn't flow". You want flow? Go watch autocross or road racing. They race so close to the edge of traction that 100 RPM is the difference between staying on the track and spinning off the track. If you don't "flow" smoothly around a track while road racing, you crash. Drifting IS NOT about flow. You think feinting back and forth then kicking the rear around is smooth? It's the lack of "flow" that initiates a drift. Look in other threads about different techniques.

Shift lock: Disrupts your drivetrain by using the engine as a brake, the sudden shift in weight initiates the drift.

Clutch kick: Same as above except the drivetrain is used as a brake.

Throttle off: The sudden shift of weight to the front when you get off the throttle initiates a drift.

Braking drift: Same concept as above.

These are all methods used in REAR WHEEL DRIVE cars.

The reason drifters are based on how smoothly they drift.. how well they "flow" is because drifting IS NOT smooth. Those who can make it seem smooth are the best drifters.

Next:

Lol...Funny how you supposedly end it with your word...Anyway.
First off...I'm not being close minded as I said earlier...I'm simply seeing the truths in their entirety, you however are in a pure state of denial..You're right..I havn't BEEN to many D1 competitions...I've been to 2 actually...However I have SEEN plenty, and in all the one's i've witnessed I've yet to see a FWD car take ANY place let alone first...Hell, has a FWD ever made it past the intial trials in D1 history?

A Front wheel drive car cannot sustain a drift...it's impossible for it to unless it's front brakes are COMPLETLY inactive, and then the car wouldn't be legal in ANY sort of competition, or track...
If a car hops out of it's slide 1/4 of the way or 1/2 through the corner..it's not a complete drift is it?...from what you're saying I can go into any corner and get my tires to slip for 3 inches and it be a drift, I didn't sustain it at all...but...it's a drift, simply because my back wheels slid out of aline...That's a stereotypical Import Tuner kid's response to the question "What is drifting"


It's nice to know that there are still stubborn people out there in the world..It makes for easier arguments.

You know why you've never seen a front wheel drive car place in D1? The ratio of front wheel driver drifters to the "standard" rear wheel drive drifters is incredibly low because of people like you who don't believe it can be done. If more people pursued it instead of just giving up on it entirely in favor of rear wheel drive drifting then you'd see more of them competing and placing in D1 events.

A front wheel drive car cannot sustain a drift if it's got front brakes? In a front wheel drive car you just control the angle of the drift differently. Because the rear wheels aren't the drive wheels you cannot simply apply throttle or let off to change the angle of a drift. Instead the e-brake is usually used to modify the drift angle. It can be done just as smoothly as any rear wheel drive car can be controlled with throttle, it's all about the driver. Yes, the driver may use the e-brake more than once during a drift to correct angle. Does that mean that it's not drifting? Only to someone as closed minded as yourself.

If this forum is going to flourish then we're all going to have to act a little more professional. Getting rid of all this hatred against front wheel drive cars and drifting would be a great improvement. Maybe someday you guys will even realize that D1 isn't the end of the world. :dunno:

Not another one of these threads. It's like Import vs Domestics, just let it die FFS.

Originally posted by Corey I RanciD


You know why you've never seen a front wheel drive car place in D1? The ratio of front wheel driver drifters to the "standard" rear wheel drive drifters is incredibly low because of people like you who don't believe it can be done. If more people pursued it instead of just giving up on it entirely in favor of rear wheel drive drifting then you'd see more of them competing and placing in D1 events.

A front wheel drive car cannot sustain a drift if it's got front brakes? In a front wheel drive car you just control the angle of the drift differently. Because the rear wheels aren't the drive wheels you cannot simply apply throttle or let off to change the angle of a drift. Instead the e-brake is usually used to modify the drift angle. It can be done just as smoothly as any rear wheel drive car can be controlled with throttle, it's all about the driver. Yes, the driver may use the e-brake more than once during a drift to correct angle. Does that mean that it's not drifting? Only to someone as closed minded as yourself.

If this forum is going to flourish then we're all going to have to act a little more professional. Getting rid of all this hatred against front wheel drive cars and drifting would be a great improvement. Maybe someday you guys will even realize that D1 isn't the end of the world. :dunno:

HAHAH, oh my god he's preaching to me :lol: ...Ok guy, just face it Front wheel drive cars can't drift. You talk all about "Front wheel drives can do it seemlessly" and all this...Show me...show me 1 just 1 FWD car going through a moderatly length corner seemlessly and i'll stop. Just ONE is all I ask.

And you're telling me that the reason FWD cars never place in D1 is because people don't think they can drift?...if they CAN Drift, why don't they place?!?! Why don't the people who REALIZE FWD's can drift(which they can't) and USE them, and WIN...you know why they don't? Because a FWD car dragging its azz around a corner having to lock the back wheels about 15 times in 12 seconds isn't APPEALING TO THE EYE...It isn't going to win ANY drifting contest because it ISN'T DRIFTING:bigthumb: :loser:

If you don't believe a FWD is capable if drifting then your in the same ignorant crowd of generaly young people who can't drive and believe that drifting is also the fastest way around a corner.

A properly set up FWD car is just as capable of being put into as many controlled slides around as many corners as a properly set up RWD car is, assuming of course the driver is capable, and knows what thier doing.

It is of course easier to set up a RWD car, as its easier to over power the back wheels, than it is to make changes to the suspension to over come the tendancy to understeer factory tuned in to most road cars, FWD and RWD.

If you don't belive a FWD car is able to be controlled through a sustained loss of traction then I will gladly take you for a demonstration.

Infact, a properly set up car can be drifted round a down hill course useing only the brakes to set up the drift, and steering in put to control it, no power required.



But at the end of the day drifting is to Motorsport what synchronised-swimming is to Swimming.

Originally posted by Shinez


HAHAH, oh my god he's preaching to me :lol: ...Ok guy, just face it Front wheel drive cars can't drift. You talk all about "Front wheel drives can do it seemlessly" and all this...Show me...show me 1 just 1 FWD car going through a moderatly length corner seemlessly and i'll stop. Just ONE is all I ask.

And you're telling me that the reason FWD cars never place in D1 is because people don't think they can drift?...if they CAN Drift, why don't they place?!?! Why don't the people who REALIZE FWD's can drift(which they can't) and USE them, and WIN...you know why they don't? Because a FWD car dragging its azz around a corner having to lock the back wheels about 15 times in 12 seconds isn't APPEALING TO THE EYE...It isn't going to win ANY drifting contest because it ISN'T DRIFTING:bigthumb: :loser:

Ok see this: "Front wheel drives can do it seemlessly". You cannot put quotes around that, as it's not an actual quote. I might as well teach grammar too while I'm educating you. Front wheel drive drifting isn't going to win anything? Not appealing to the eye? Wow.. it seems to me that the Civic from the video you made fun of so badly in the other thread placed in whatever competition that was. I guess it did appeal to someone's eyes. If you want to see a front wheel drive car drift through a moderate length corner then go on Google and find a video of it. Ridding you of your ignorance isn't important enough to me to waste my time with that. There's a million videos out there, you've probably even seen them. You just thought they were rear wheel drive cars.

Your argument is severely lacking in.. everything. You've made weak points that could be used against anything. With your logic I could say that an FR or MR couldn't drift either. You need to get all your ideas together and make a valid point instead of just insisting that it's not drifting because you don't see it in D1. You also don't see WRXs and Evos drifting around corners in the mud and rain in D1. Does that mean that rally racers can't drift either?

Originally posted by Corey I RanciD


Ok see this: "Front wheel drives can do it seemlessly". You cannot put quotes around that, as it's not an actual quote. I might as well teach grammar too while I'm educating you. Front wheel drive drifting isn't going to win anything? Not appealing to the eye? Wow.. it seems to me that the Civic from the video you made fun of so badly in the other thread placed in whatever competition that was. I guess it did appeal to someone's eyes. If you want to see a front wheel drive car drift through a moderate length corner then go on Google and find a video of it. Ridding you of your ignorance isn't important enough to me to waste my time with that. There's a million videos out there, you've probably even seen them. You just thought they were rear wheel drive cars.

Your argument is severely lacking in.. everything. You've made weak points that could be used against anything. With your logic I could say that an FR or MR couldn't drift either. You need to get all your ideas together and make a valid point instead of just insisting that it's not drifting because you don't see it in D1. You also don't see WRXs and Evos drifting around corners in the mud and rain in D1. Does that mean that rally racers can't drift either?

First off who says I was quoting you, last time I checked this wasn't a class room and I wasn't being graded on my grammatical errors. Yes I put quotes around it so it would stand out. I never stated that YOU had said it, I never stated WHO said it, for all you know the person sitting next to me could have said it, which makes your whole "I might aswell teach grammar to you while i'm educating you"....

If I want to see a video of this you want ME to search for it? So you're just going to leave your argument without ANY evidence what so ever, that's hilarious.

As far as Moppie goes....Yeah right i'm with the crowd that thinks drifting is the fastest way around a corner...It is when you're at an incline, which is why drifting started. I'm well aware that driftin is slower 90% of the time, and now I supposedly know NOTHING about drifting simply because I know Front wheel drive cars can't drift? I'd love for you to take me on a demonstration. I'm waiting to be PROVEN wrong, but I won't because FWD cars cannot drift. The whole fact that you think FWD cars can drift proves that YOU'RE in the generalized crowd of children who think drifting is nothing more than getting a car sideways.

ALSO ANOTHER POINT ABOUT FWD DRIFTING, THEY DO NOT COME INTO TURNS WITH OVERSTEER, THIS IS PERHAPS THE COOLEST PART OF DRIFTING TO WATCH HOW THE DRIVERS WORK THE CAR INTO A TURN.........

FRONT WHEEL CARS JUST LOOSE SOME TRACTION HALFWAY THROUGH THE TURN AND ABOUT A SECOND ONTO THE STRAIGHTAWAY,,,,,, THEY ARE JUST LOOSING TRACTION NOT DRIFTING.


show me some FWD cars drifting down the straight and into a corner and then out and onto another straight and I will shut my mouth, but until then

FWD CARS DO NOT DRIFT

TOSSERS

:loser:

I still don't understand when theres part 2 to this thread when the first one was just as good..

Originally posted by Shinez
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First off who says I was quoting you, last time I checked this wasn't a class room and I wasn't being graded on my grammatical errors. Yes I put quotes around it so it would stand out. I never stated that YOU had said it, I never stated WHO said it, for all you know the person sitting next to me could have said it, which makes your whole "I might aswell teach grammar to you while i'm educating you"....

Makes it... ? Right...

If I want to see a video of this you want ME to search for it? So you're just going to leave your argument without ANY evidence what so ever, that's hilarious.

I shouldn't need to spoon feed you. You're not incompetent (I hope). What evidence have you shown? You've made up some stupid bullsh*t about "flow" which I blew out of the water. Now you've resorted to just insisting over and over that front wheel drive cars can't drift. You have no argument for me to prove wrong any more. There's no need for more evidence. You're just being stubborn. The only possible argument you're following now is that it's not drifting because D1 drivers don't drift front wheel drive cars. I already brought up the rally racing issue which should have made you realize that D1 doesn't matter. You need to stop acting so childish, sit back and just think about the (there's really no other word to describe it) crap that's coming out of your mouth.

If you want to argue about this then sure, I'll argue with you, but generally you need to have some sort of argument. Saying that front wheel drive cars can't drift over and over means nothing. You've got to tell me why you think that front wheel drive cars drift so I can show you you're wrong.

So if you're going to keep complaining that I have no evidence, here's some for you. Through use of the brakes and e-brake a front wheel drive car can drift around a turn as a rear wheel drive car would. Go watch the Civic video from the first thread and tell me exactly why you don't think that's drifting.

EDIT: Ok here's a better idea. Define what it means to drift. Then tell me why a front wheel drive car can't do that. The problem is probably at the roots.

The whole fact that you think FWD cars can drift proves that YOU'RE in the generalized crowd of children who think drifting is nothing more than getting a car sideways.

Here here, I am backing you 100% of the way through this arguement. Why do people keep bringing up rally and shit into these threads? Rally cars don't drift they use similar techniques but nothing they do is true drift. I think some people on this forum are quite confused about what Drift really is. It seems most of you (mainly the fwd crowd) think that Drift is just sliding your ass end around when it is much, much more than that. If you guys want to convince us that FWD's are hardcore Drift machines then prove it with some video. I see no point in trying to convince others when you can't even back up your words with proof. Why even start this thread again it has all been said before. This is all I am saying on the matter because Shinez has said it best already.

Who gives a flyin turd about drift? I can zip my FF thru a series of tight turns much faster than any other setup. Yes it slides if you over pressure it, guess you never heard anybody say "slow down and go faster" watch an SCCA event and notice they don't drift, at least the faster ones
lastly, think about this, don't you think it was a tire company that started the whole drift deal? I mean, who's makin $$$ off it?
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Originally posted by BOOSTD


Here here, I am backing you 100% of the way through this arguement. Why do people keep bringing up rally and shit into these threads? Rally cars don't drift they use similar techniques but nothing they do is true drift. I think some people on this forum are quite confused about what Drift really is. It seems most of you (mainly the fwd crowd) think that Drift is just sliding your ass end around when it is much, much more than that. If you guys want to convince us that FWD's are hardcore Drift machines then prove it with some video. I see no point in trying to convince others when you can't even back up your words with proof. Why even start this thread again it has all been said before. This is all I am saying on the matter because Shinez has said it best already.

Define what it means to drift. Then tell me why a front wheel drive car can't do that. Rally racers don't drift now either? Rally racers are probably the most talented drifters in the world, and some of the only ones who can use drift to actually speed up lap times. You think D1 drivers are so great and that's all for show. Put a D1 drifter into a road race and he'll get slaughtered. Is it not drifting in rally racing because they have all wheel drive instead of rear wheel drive? This gets better and better..

I'm starting to think that maybe this should be a D1 Drift forum. That's all that most of you appear to care about. If racing were compared to speed skating, D1 would be figure skating. It's all for show.. and you know what. They're just ass dragging.

No one is talking about road racing you dickhead. DRIFT IS NOT A RACE!!! Like I have said before TRUE Drift is only done in Japan and D1 demonstrates this at it's best. If you want to talk about Rally or road racing then talk about it in the designated forum. I don't understand why you guys keep relating Drift to Rally and other forms of motorsport. Just because some Rally techniques are similar doesn't mean it's true Drift. I think the biggest problem with all of this is that people need to specify whether they are talking about Japanese style Drift (the only true form of Drift in my eyes) or another form of Drift used in different motorsports. We are talking about Drifting as a sport not Drifting as a technique. I think it would be a good idea to let all you Rally, NASCAR, FWD fans and all other motorsports where there is anything similar to Drift in it have this forum to discuss what you consider Drift at your own leisure and make a D1 or Japanese style Drift forum for the real Drifters.

This is a DRIFTING forum, not an Option video or D1 advertisement, and just because the only thing you consider to be drifting is D1 doesn't mean that other more open minded members believe that also. If you want to discuss D1 drifting then make a thread and say "This is to discuss so and so about D1 drifting", but don't go around acting like it's the only true form of drifting and you guys are better than the rest of us because you own more Option videos. If you want to believe that D1 is the only real drifting then fine, believe that, but it's only an opinion. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but I ask you to please keep that opinion to yourself so as not to spread false information to other readers.

Back in the real world, drifting doesn't mean D1. Here's a quote taken from Ryan Stevens of Velocity Racing Team JAPAN (since that word makes all the difference to some of you :rolleyes: ):

Basically, drifting is getting your car sideways down a road. Instead of a drifter causing a drift and then countering to straighten out, he will instead over-counter so his car goes into another drift.

Drifting is the ability to connect multiple corners while driving beyond the limits of traction. It's nothing more than that. It can be done in a front wheel drive car, a rear wheel drive or an all wheel drive car on tarmac, dirt or gravel. If drifting means something else to YOU then fine. If D1 is the only true drifting to YOU, then fine. If front wheel drive cars just ass drag to YOU, then fine. If rally racers don't drift (I don't even know what you'd call it then? ass dragging? :spit: ), then fine. But don't go pushing your opinions on other people and preaching it as fact because quite simply, it's not.

Now you should understand the difference between FACT and OPINION so how about you go make that D1 thread now and talk some trash about how stupid I am for thinking front wheel drive cars can drift and I'll leave you alone. :biggrin:

i think you all need to take your heads out of your asses and just STOP FUCKING ARGUING!!! this forum hasn't gone a WEEK yet without an argument thread about FF versus FR being in the top 5 newest threads. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, LET IT DIE!!!

i personally don't believe that FF can drift and that D1 is the only true style of drifting. drifting used in other motorsports is all well and good, but they're using it to gain time in a race, where-as D1 is trying to drift for style and to get the biggest drift possible through the corner. IT'S DIFFERENT! but, even though i have these views, i DO NOT try to force them on other members. THINK WHAT YOU WANT! i don't give a rat's ass. my opinion is MY opinion, and i'm going to keep it. likewise, your's is your's, and i'm not going to try to change it.

this whole FF vs. FR thing is utter bullshit anyways. the guys who think FF CAN drift are hardened about their views and aren't going to budge an inch. likewise, the FR guys are hard as hell and won't change their views for anything. THIS IS A NEVER-ENDING ARGUMENT! SO END IT!!!!

if this forum has any chance of being a peaceful exchange, bullshit like this has got to stop, and if i were the mod here, i'd lock this thread right now.

also, whoever made the thread (forgot to check). when a thread is locked, DO NOT EVER make a second thread about the same topic just so you can continue your argument. that will get you in more shit, and the second thread will probably be locked as well, and the mods will keep an eye on you. since this forum has no regular mod, this one is LUCKY to have not been locked yet, and since my mod powers are limited, i can't do it.

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RWD cars drift better ... and FWD's can sometimes have fun dragging ass around the corners ... nuff said

Corey I never tried to pass my views onto other members as fact. I told you that what I said was opinion nothing more nothing less. You can believe what you want to believe and if I were you I would stop being so damn mouthy because you are just a newbie and you don't have the right to tell people what to do on this forum. This thread never should have been started in the first place. As for a D1 forum being started I say BRING IT ON!! And how dare you try and tell me what Drifting is, you don't know my level of Drift experience. You are probably some little nerd sitting in a corner without your licence trying to get off on being a big man on a forum. Well king I take my hat off to you.

Thread closed :mad: :mad:


There is some real arrogance and ignorance on display in here.

I suggest you all learn to have an open mind about somethings, and lose the snobbish RWD rules attitude.
After 7 years of involvment in a Motorsport at a variety of levels its quite clear to me that none of you have any real life motorsport experiance let alone enough skill to actualy practice what you talk about so much, yet know so little about.



The ignorance and snobbishness must stop, or a recomendation will be made to see this forum removed.