Hate in the forum

Just wanted to ask why theres so much hate posts in this drift forum. So many topics about how FF drifting is ghey and civics are ghey and how much we oWneZ jooo!

So much talk about WE ARE OG and REAL doriftus! bla bla bla... makes the whole forum look bad. And guess what, i heard about how much hate this forum has from another forum also.

We obviously got some internet drifters here too, trying so hard to fit in and making everyone else look bad... what's looking bad is the entire forum.

Just an FYI if you guys dont realize it yet. laters...

Originally posted by jdmkenji
Just wanted to ask why theres so much hate posts in this drift forum. So many topics about how FF drifting is ghey and civics are ghey and how much we oWneZ jooo!

So much talk about WE ARE OG and REAL doriftus! bla bla bla... makes the whole forum look bad. And guess what, i heard about how much hate this forum has from another forum also.

We obviously got some internet drifters here too, trying so hard to fit in and making everyone else look bad... what's looking bad is the entire forum.

Just an FYI if you guys dont realize it yet. laters...

what forum did you hear bad words on?

i agree that the condition of the forum right now is bullchit. too many internet drifters. as i said before, i don't consider myself a drifter because i don't participate in it yet. that doesn't mean i don't know anything about it, or don't like it. but i'm not going to pretend i do something that i don't.

i mean no offence to anyone on this forum, but you guys have to realize. you can be drift FANS all you want, but you can't really criticize people who are out there doing their thing when probably NONE of us in here actually drifts yet. while i dislike FF drifting, at least he's trying it. i have yet to try a real drift, and won't for another month or so. until i get my next 240SX, start learning to drift, and start to get good at it, then and only then will i consider myself a drifter.

whatever. i'm still all good with all of you guys, just...try to understand things a bit more. *shrugs*

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
while i dislike FF drifting, at least he's trying it.

Who's he? And what are these forums the stranger speaks of?

I don't really think that there's a "problem" - people have opinions. I know some people dislike things that are outside of their "sphere of conformity" and alot of dislike towards the FWD crowd comes from that aspect - but that doesn't bother me (I'm not one to be bothered much by ill-informed opinions - I own a Yugo as evidence) Although I think things have calmed down a bit now, and hope this forum becomes an informative place for all interested people regaurdless of whether they drive FF or RR (or in some cases, like myself - both):smile:

PS: what's a collora?

I have to agree with jdmkenji on this one, a lot of people just bickering at eachother where in fact when I asked for this forum to be created I was thinking it was going to be for drifting in general, that includes FF drifting not just RWD drifting. You can have your own opinion on FF drifting but you don't have to carry it on farther then that, you don't have to flame it just make your statement clear and concise.

p.s I'm fairly sure collora is a disease...lol I'm sure he meant corolla:smile:

Hate is a strong word. I don't think the condition of this forum can be described as Hate but there are certainly some differences in opinion going around. If this forum was used to discuss D1 and Japanese style Drift as it was intended then I am sure there wouldn't be a problem. I think the biggest problem is that people get too far off topic. Most of the biggest posts on this forum have all turned bad because they haven't been about Japanese style Drift then the real Drifters get heated because there is discussions about FWD cars and rally teqniques etc etc. We all just need to realise that this forum is for Japanese Drift and thats what the focus should be on. Just my 2c.

ok... problem..... Internet drifter... i would consider myself one of them?
why? cause i don't do it out in the streets or the track....and yes i have sat in my frds 86 when he did it during his trial at AutoX. however... i am planning soon to do it on AutoX... so what is the problem? i may have not tried it in really life yet ....but i have been introduced to this sport for at least 3-4 yrs... i have brought numerous issues of Young version and Option because i wanna learn more...

anways... i really wanna see this fourm grow like the car modelling fourm here at AF... but first things first... lets stop the arguement with FF vs FR....its not goin anywhere

LETS ALL BE FRDS!!:dogpile:

yeah, i never even realized that there was already a drifting forum in AF until i saw it from another site (which i wont mention for the fear of internet drifters flocking there also).

i agree, there can be drifting fans and there can be actual people who do it. but what sucks is that there are those who act like they know shit and they're O.G. and not jumping on the band wagon type of people who love to criticize what is proper drifting, and who can or cannot drift and what should be considered drifting.... while all along does not even participate in the sport themselves.

you will notice that even in japan or a community of true drifters there is no such type of attitude. people learn from each other and YES they do drift FWD cars in japan... have you heard of K cars? Even hondas use this technique in races... or maybe you guys need to actually see it in an option or drift tengoku video before you accept it? talk about not jumping on the band wagon.

Anyway, i hope that it does get better for the sake of the forum and that the newbies do not get the wrong impression about the sport...

Oh yeah, i drive a corolla, but i thought it was funny so i put collora... hahhaahah ...wierd :eek7:

Originally posted by BOOSTD
. We all just need to realise that this forum is for Japanese Drift and thats what the focus should be on. Just my 2c.

were does it say that this forum is only for jpanese style drift.....i say initial D forum is better suited for that....

it would be fair to make this about all type of drifting....true the japanese are best at show off drifting....but what is so wrong with drifing used for performance.....as in WRC(don't say that is not impresive).....


so even though japanese drifting for the sake of drifting might be the purest form....there are other styles that can be more easily performed and available to us.....

i mean how many people in this forum can afford to tune up their cars just for drifting....not to mention the cost for tires and constant realigment and balancing of the tires....

so i don't see why we cannot use this forum to talk about casual or rally or other forms of drifting beside japanese style...

Do some damn research before you post. It has been said so many times in other threads which you obviously haven't read.

THIS FORUM WAS MADE FOR D1 AND JAPANESE STYLE DRIFT DISCUSSIONS NOT WRC, NASCAR ETC ETC.

Guys back me up here, S13_Iketani I know you will :bigthumb:

Originally posted by BOOSTD
Do some damn research before you post. It has been said so many times in other threads which you obviously haven't read.

THIS FORUM WAS MADE FOR D1 AND JAPANESE STYLE DRIFT DISCUSSIONS NOT WRC, NASCAR ETC ETC.

Guys back me up here, S13_Iketani I know you will :bigthumb:


and who decided you.....? i want to hear this from a mod not you.....if Igor has decided that this forum is dedicated solely for japanese drifting then i'll shut up


and noob don't tell me to do "damn research" as you so politely put it.....i've read the other post and all i see is disagreement about what is drifting....


all I tried to post is that it will more more fair if this forum covers diferent types of drifting that can aply to us amateurs....not all of us are capable from the begining of profesional drifting....but by starting little by little we can get better....and in this forum we can give each other pointers on how to do it

S13_Iketani said:

alright. i'm not saying much more then this: i and many other people were under the impression (and rightfully so) that this forum was started for the sole purpose of talking about Japanese D1-Style drifting. i do not discount the skill of ice-racers, sprint car drivers, old skool F1 drivers, or anyone else who tosses out their back end. but that's not the drifting we want to talk about. the Japanese drifting is all about style and skill. how well you can hold the drift, how long, how many you can link up without fucking up etc. that's what the sport is. they're not trying to get fast lap times or anything else. we're not talking about powersliding sprint cars that are trying to get a fast lap-time on a dirt track oval. we want to talk about drifting: the sport. not drifting: the word.

Good enough for you?

There is plenty more where that came from. Just read through the different threads.

Originally posted by BOOSTD
S13_Iketani said:



Good enough for you?

There is plenty more where that came from. Just read through the different threads.


as you can read he said that he is under the impresion(impling uncertainty)....and btw he is not yet the mod of this forum even though I recomended to the other mods that he would be instated as....

so let me put it this way...how can we become better at drifting when we cannot disscuss diferent parts and techniques involved in drifting that we need to acomplish in order to perfom as well as a japanese drifter....


if all we talk is advanced techniques.....how is that gonna help us when we cannot reach those levels......maybe you are some legend at drifting and don't need to discuss simple stuff but there are many of us here that would like to learn

I am not some legend at Drifting and not once have I implied this. I was simply stating that the forum was intended for Japanese style Drift (which it was). I am done with this topic now as it as well as many others is getting boring. As for discussing basic techniques I encourage this as everyone needs to ask basic questions to learn and not once did I say anything against asking questions. All I was stating was that this is supposed to be a Japanese style Drift forum and there is very little Drift discussion going on. BTW asking questions about rally techniques and the like is not really going to help you with Japanese style Drifting. Rally is done on different surfaces with a totally different type of car. Sure some of the techniques are slightly similar but they are two totally different motorsports. If you want to become a better Drifter ask questions relating to Japanese style Drift, I for one will be happy to help.

Originally posted by BOOSTD
I am not some legend at Drifting and not once have I implied this. I was simply stating that the forum was intended for Japanese style Drift (which it was). I am done with this topic now as it as well as many others is getting boring. As for discussing basic techniques I encourage this as everyone needs to ask basic questions to learn and not once did I say anything against asking questions. All I was stating was that this is supposed to be a Japanese style Drift forum and there is very little Drift discussion going on.


and you know why there is so little drift discussions going one because everytime someone posts something that is not up to some mythical standards of perfect drifing....he becomes automatically a loser....so again give some people a brake...maybe they are trying to drift....


and again I would like to know if Igor decid that this forums is absolutelly only for japanese drifting....you failed to answer that question.....which btw is the only one that really matters...

well....u make a very good point....

like i have mentioned b4...this isn't a D1 forum b/c itz not post as one so :tongue:

but there are no problems in this forum...people are just getting the feel for it b/c there wasn't a "drifting" forum so everyone was talking about it in different forums

Originally posted by WhiteBlur
I have to agree with jdmkenji on this one, a lot of people just bickering at eachother where in fact when I asked for this forum to be created I was thinking it was going to be for drifting in general, that includes FF drifting not just RWD drifting.

Just to put to rest the idea that this forum was created specifically for discussion of D1 or RWD drifting (for a couple people who seem to have skipped reading WhiteBlur's post)

I dont get it why you have to say D1 style or Japanese Style... drifting is drifting, maybe it be drifting in japan/u.s., on the streets on rally or other kinds of sports. Segregating drifting to one segment does not make sense and will not tell you anything. Who here has participated in D1??? How do u know what techniques they use or what they dont use? Do u even discuss racing lines? Anyone here actually seen D1 beyond their tv or computer screens?

And for those who just like to talk about drifitng wont teach you how to do it. Driving is different from talking. If you actually do it and apply it into driving then you will also understand how it will vary from car to car and from driver to driver. Also segregating FWD drifting to RWD drifting is yet another way of creating barriers and conflict. I applaud FWD guys who actuall DO IT instead of RWD guys who just talk about it and start bashing on the FWD for having balls to actually applying and learning skills on drifting.

Until you learn to realize and accept these certain facts, drifting will just be a fad. I say go out to track events and drive your car, then you will realize that talking and posting on a forum is different from actually going out and driving and learning in real life.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke


Just to put to rest the idea that this forum was created specifically for discussion of D1 or RWD drifting (for a couple people who seem to have skipped reading WhiteBlur's post)


thank you for bringing that to antention 2stroke.....i don't know why some people act so badly towards other forms of drifting.....and then just decide to make the forum into what they want and disregard other people's opinions.....including the original request for the forum....

BOOSTD it doesn't matter what Iketani said what this forum was made for...I was the one that asked it to be made and my idea was for drifting in general not just certain kinds such as you and Iketani put it Japanese Drifting and D1 Drifting.

Originally posted by WhiteBlur
BOOSTD it doesn't matter what Iketani said what this forum was made for...I was the one that asked it to be made and my idea was for drifting in general not just certain kinds such as you and Iketani put it Japanese Drifting and D1 Drifting.


basically that is the bottom line.......thank you for poiting that out......i don't know why people are trying to hijack this forum.....


your ideea was excelent....


FYI this is the latest atempt to hijack it:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t113455.html

:rolleyes:

good god almighty.

you have a panda AE86 in your signature, and the Silvia K's symbol in your avatar, and you are the one who suggested that a drifting forum be made. kinda gives off the impression that MAYBE you meant it to be a Japanese-style drifting forum? i'm not against FWD "drifting" stuff being posted in there. the only thing i'm against is people pulling everything that even REMOTLEY pertains to drifting into that forum, such as the thread on dirt-track sprint cars and claiming they were the ultimate drift cars. i mean come on! it may be a general drifting forum, but some of the stuff in there is just TOO general to the point of not even relating to the topic anymore.

oh damn i didnt know there was that much hate here...
But i thought that drift was supposed to be a brotherhood, away from the competitive nature of the drag races IN THE US. I thought that drift was an escape from the normal, going side ways when we should be going straight. thats waht i thought drift was about. i didnt know there was so much hate towards other people.

but then agasin this is the internet and not real life. So it may be different. I dont know. im the new kid. so dont flame me.

When I first seen this Forum, I was thinking all types of Drifting but knowing more of the D1-Style drifters would be in here than any other kind. Im all for the diffrent kinds of 'Drift' Sports, it could mean less to me if your in a Civic and getting sideways or are in a R33 getting sideways, its all good. But only thing, I think its bs just to E-Brake a drift or ass drag around a corner, I mean anyone could do that if they went out and try it. But seriously if you wanna discuss WRC and Rally Drifting, they have a Rally forum and such which Im sure if you bring up a Drift topic in there that they will know more about Dirt/Gravel/Whatever drifting it is to help you with. I repeat Im all for all types of Drifters but yeah, if the sport your 'drifting' in, try to make post about it in that forum. Increase the Peace :dogpile:

AGREED. Drifting is Drifting, not rallying or sprint cars. I think these types of subjects should be brought up in their own forums. Lets try and keep with the Drift theme. Anyways keep making posts because this forum is starting to get good.

Howdie!

I think you guys bite waayy tooo quick. You are like paranas. You see "XXXXX sucks" and you attack. I wish the fish bit like you guys around here.

I would just take this all with a grain of salt.

Producing works of drift is hard for many. I know street guys that have ZERO pictures or video.

I say:

Post to me like you would talk to me face to face. If you have no respect for me here I will not respect you in person. It is a small world.

AGREED. Drifting is Drifting, not rallying or sprint cars. I think these types of subjects should be brought up in their own forums. Lets try and keep with the Drift theme. Anyways keep making posts because this forum is starting to get good.

Um, maybe you would like to explain just what "Drifting" is, since you seem to have a different definition than I do...

My definition is exceeding a cars lateral grip with momentum to cause a controlled slide, and there are countless ways to do this. Modern rally cars and sprint cars certainly do this, with sprint cars drifting every corner on the track until the finish line...

Far from an internet drifter, I drift a 1986 Ford Aerostar on the street almost every day, pushing it until the rear end slides, and then countersteering and powering out until it regains traction and starts to understeer... That's drifting, and it's about as far from the "japanese" scene as it gets. Watch some old rally from the late 70s, now that was what drifting was all about. Seeing a Lancia Stratos performing 30 degree drifts on dirt, gravel and snow is a privilege everyone should indulge at least a few times ;)

Wow, Cbass - you're not dead? Please continue to show up here, we need some more intelligent, un-biased members in this particular spot in the woods. (by the way, this thread is ages old, and so is the post you responded to)

Um, maybe you would like to explain just what "Drifting" is, since you seem to have a different definition than I do...

My definition is exceeding a cars lateral grip with momentum to cause a controlled slide, and there are countless ways to do this. Modern rally cars and sprint cars certainly do this, with sprint cars drifting every corner on the track until the finish line...

Far from an internet drifter, I drift a 1986 Ford Aerostar on the street almost every day, pushing it until the rear end slides, and then countersteering and powering out until it regains traction and starts to understeer... That's drifting, and it's about as far from the "japanese" scene as it gets. Watch some old rally from the late 70s, now that was what drifting was all about. Seeing a Lancia Stratos performing 30 degree drifts on dirt, gravel and snow is a privilege everyone should indulge at least a few times ;)

DRIFTING IS FUN!

INTERNET IS FUN!

SEEING YOU GUYS IN A BIG GROUP HUG IS FUN! :cwm27:

Cbass, you "drift" a FWD van? Hahahahahahahahahaha! Man, the internet is so much more entertaining than Japanese television. At least when I see stupid shit here, its easier to read the language.

Cbass, you "drift" a FWD van? Hahahahahahahahahaha! Man, the internet is so much more entertaining than Japanese television. At least when I see stupid shit here, its easier to read the language.

i i thought that this is what this whole thread was about.....curbing stupid remarks like /\ /\

:dunno:

No BLU CIVIC, my comments merely reflect reality. If you want to curb stupid remarks, then people shouldn't say idiotic things like they drift a FWD top heavy van every day. Unless its meant as a joke, (and it doesn't look like it was) its really the most stupid statement on drifting that I have ever seen.

well like most poeple...ur definition of drift differs...he did a drift....but mabey not a continuous drift...a drift is a drift is a drift.....a lot of people want to see proof by doing continuous drifts.....but that's only in competitions and in certain places where they have roads that allow.....but if he did a drift....he did a drift.....but i personally wouldn't call it a drift he the e-brake initiated it

But the thing is-is that even most FWD wannabe drifters say that control is an important part of drifting. Well, FWD cars cannot control a drift. They ass drag and hold on and hope they keep sliding. There is no definition of drifting that has ever been made that allows any FWD platform to meet that definition. Thats why the comment about a van (a friggen top heavy van at that!) is so ridiculous.

Ok, I'm not really up on whats going on but just as a note if I'm not mistaken a 1986 Aerostar was RWD, possibly AWD.

Scourge, this is the second time I've seen your arrogance and wished that you'd listen to reason, but ah well. Obviously, you've never viewed SCCA Pro Rally footage of the 2wd class (dominated by FF cars, most recently factory Neon SRT-4's) or vintage footage of Mini Coopers, wheeled by the great Paddy Hopkirk, sliding through the mountain stages of Monte Carlo. I've described to you oversteer-inducing FF chassis setup that can build snap oversteer at speed without trail braking, left-foot braking, or using the handbrake. I've lended you examples of how such setups have led to autocross victories for small FF cars in the face of small FR and MR cars. And now I'll give you the Skip Barber sponsored definition of Four Wheel Drift.

Four Wheel Drift- Pay attention-this is what it's all about! A combination of trail braking, late apexing, rolling into the throttle, all to allow the driver to get on the gas earlier while staying on the track. While approaching an apex, the driver pitches the rear of the car slightly, forcing the car to point down the road with out as much steering input. Important! Then since the car is pointed in a straighter line than usual, the driver can get on the gas earlier.

There, from the man who has trained three generations of master drivers in the United States we have the definition of drift. I'd suggest that you actually read it, but you tend to ignore simple logic or do any worthwhile research. Most of your remarks have tended towards ignorance, and your attitude is severely lacking. If you did research, you'd know that Aerostars are full size vans that are rear-wheel drive and had a reputation for blowing transmissions because Ford used a unique, half-baked, shrunken automatic in them to increase interior floor-space.

But, as I'd mentioned earlier, research, basic automotive physics, chassis dynamic and setup, and the general idea that drifting happens anywhere in the world outside of one little Pacific island are all apparently foreign ideas to you. It's a shame, really.

Ok, I'm not really up on whats going on but just as a note if I'm not mistaken a 1986 Aerostar was RWD, possibly AWD.


If I am mistaken that the Aerostar is RWD unlike its competitor the Chevy Astro, then I humbly retract my statement and apologize. But, drifting a top heavy van? :eek7:

Layla, its not arrogance. FF cars simply cannot control a slide. Thye merely iniate one and hold on hoping everything works out. Nope, its only American kids who now want to jump on this bandwagon who make up stupid ass definitions that they think allows them to join this new fad. Its not arrogance, its being relistic.

while i have my opinions and agree that FF cannot drift in the true-est sense (and most people here already know my stance), i really think it's time for this argument to end, in BOTH threads in which it's taking place.

people have their opinions. some people are die-hard in thinking that FF can drift, some aren't. getting them to change sides and be convinced that the other side is right is like trying to get an English WWII vet to say the Germans won. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! drifting is one of those instances in which people are STEAD-FAST in their opinions. they're like 100 year old tree stumps, they ain't budging an inch in their opinion. because of this, this argument is NEVER-ENDING! you could provide all the evidence in the world against one side, and the person on that side would still insist that he's right.

so come on. can't we just drop it and get along and make some real, useful, interesting posts instead of just arguing non-stop like children??

ITS NOT THE CAR THAT CANT DRIFT, ITS THE DRIVER.

WHAT IS DRIFTING?

- Loss of rear, front or all of the tires traction from the road
- Control of the loss of traction.

This definition makes it simple... ignore all D1 bull shit definition of our internet drifters.

CAN FWD CARS INITIATE A SLIDE? Yes!!!!! via the use of velocity, weight transfer, braking and depending on road condition and driver skills.

CAN FWD CONTROL A DRIFT? Yes, controlling a slide is what you do once you counter steer, hit the brakes, etc...

CAN FWD MAINTAIN A DRIFT? Yes and No, greatly depends on road conditions, driver skills and vehicle tuning.

CAN INTERNET DRIFTERS DRIFT? NO, because they like to talk out of their asses so they cannot drift any kind of car far from doing donuts or burn outs.

WHO THE HELL CARES IF ITS ASS DRAG!??!?! WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT... LOSS OF TRACTION IS DRIFTING IN THE ESSENCE OF IT ALL.

FWD cars can drift people... accept it. It is not a majestic drifting like RWD does... but in the essence of it all... it is drifting... even for a micro second. Accept it, move on. This topic has been beaten to death... and even if we show u 100 videos and pictures of FWD cars sliding their asses around, you will not accept it... because you are a biased on your opinion.

Someone please lock this thread... it is getting stupid already and shows how many immature 16 year olds are on this site. Shows that the most track time they've seen is on their tv and computer screens.

My my my. The little American kids get all riled up like fundie christians shown irrefutable proof that their religion is complete lies and bullshit. Nope, its not about being an internet drifter or a D1 drifter. Its about a bunch of insecure kids needing to be cool coming up with a laughable definition that defies reality so that they can feel that they can now participate. This is not opinion. This is what is happening.

You people can have your delusion. It'll never come true though.......ever. :screwy:

:gives: :dunno:

Well, obviously posers who now want to be cool and need to be part of every new fad certainly do.

Well, obviously posers who now want to be cool and need to be part of every new fad certainly do.


So your a religion expert now huh? And all our religion are lies and bull shit? :grinno:

It's not that we're coming up with new definition of drifting, FWD DRIFTING! :iceslolan it's just that your coming up with your OWN DEFINITION OF DRIFTING.

Drifting is Loss of lateral Grip of your tires! It doesnt mean you have to be able to do a DONUT! Your such a joke you dont even know your own definitions... definitions made by PHYSICS professors and REAL race car drivers.

Your definition of drifting is based on YOU WATCHING WAY TO MUCH INITIAL D & OPTION VIDEOS. Here's you:

"For a FWD car to drift, it needs to have control and not just slide its tail out and ass drag..."

See how stupid you sound? If a FWD car induces a drift, it INITIATED A TAIL SLIDE, then it has CONTROL because it did not TAIL SLIDE UNEXPECTEDLY. It actually has better CONTROL over the slide because it can just JAM ON THE GAS and straighten out the car much easier.

DONUT IS NOT DRIFTING! I guess for you to qualify a drift, it has to be a donut... :rolleyes:

So Mr Scourge, please refresh all of us of your great driving history and your skills... i'm sure you have a few championship titles under your belt being the great driver you are who knows no bounds of physics and reality. Please show us videos or pictures of your driving skill and bewilder us on your great background in racing and we'll all shut up!
:rolleyes:

this has gone far enough :disappoin