FF cant drift huh? (look inside)

right click and "save-as", then be amazed:

http://www.steelcitysfinest.com/vids/drifting.mpg

his first run isnt that good (warmup) but the 2nd is great. Dust that civic off boys and hit the track today, you "OG" Drifters! :iceslolan

actually i saw that video earlier, and i must say it sucked. those aren't drifts IMO. all he does is get the rear end loose for half a second...although i hear somewhere that he wasn't using any e-brake...which makes it a BIT more impressive...but still not very.

i've done longer e-brakes in my Pontiac (see signature).

Say what? using the parking brake isn't drifting, it's parking. :biggrin:


But seriously folks...

fwd cars are fun on grass though, with a bip of the throttle and some quick rally like steering lmfao the rear end will come out and you can get some good fishtailing... pretty fun



:iceslolan

Seriously...thats in no way what drifting is. Look at it...its so un artistic and all sketchy. There is no beauty in that. I like it when he kicks up some o' that dirt :).

yeah he tried getting the rear wheels to slide in the dirt a couple times it looked like.

that is so not DRIFITNG....grrr.. what a waste of my time

o yeah..nice avatar ryan

the curves wern't that short but he wasn't getting any good turns in....looked good though but in some cases it looked like he didn't even know what he was doing or gonna do:confused:

Originally posted by endlesskev86
that is so not DRIFITNG....grrr.. what a waste of my time

o yeah..nice avatar ryan

Thanks. I made it with Image Ready.

Not drifting at all- just sliding with the park brake- not impressed:loser:

not too impressive but at least he/she tried:dogpile:

If he's not using the handbrake, then that Civic has a much stiffer front end than the rear end, making for an oversteering balance, suitable for drifting. That guy is just not that good at controlling it, or doing it with any exit speed. :redface:

If you listen to the engine going through curves, I'd say that Cbass is right.

thats how a FWD "drifts" as some people insist they do LOL..... you can't get any better....



without power going to the rear wheels making them spin and slide out.... the just drag around...... you can't hold a drift in a fwd car......

and if someone says you can, show me a video......I don't care what speed it is, I don't care what kinda turn it is...... AS long as someone shows me a FWD car holding a drift on dry pavement then I'll say they can "drift" instead of just ass dragging.

Just watched that video...

Easy to reproduce. Take any fwd car, and make it about 70/30 weight distribution so the back end swings out easily. volia

FWD Drifting is for :loser: 's

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big fat

:werd:

Sounds like you guys are so good at drifting? I dare you to post videos of yourself on or off track drifting... all i see so far is talk from so called "OG drifters" hhahhaahhaah this whole thread is :loser:


don't reply back unless you can backup yourself with your skill. post that vid!

Originally posted by jdmkenji
Sounds like you guys are so good at drifting? I dare you to post videos of yourself on or off track drifting... all i see so far is talk from so called "OG drifters" hhahhaahhaah this whole thread is :loser:


don't reply back unless you can backup yourself with your skill. post that vid!

settle down dude.

i agree with what you have to say. that's why i've been against this whole "OG Drift" crew. i don't drift yet. i plan to learn how to very soon, and compete in the future, but at this point in time i don't call myself a drifter because i don't participate in it. i am a drift fan. i enjoy reading about it, LOVE the cars, love the culture, and have loved it for a long time now. but i'm not a drifter (yet) because i don't do it (yet).

but, i still stand by my original post that the guy in the first post is not drifting. i've gotten my Pontiac more sideways then that Civic. :cwm27:

errm this guy took 2nd place in the 1st Drift Nationals of the year. (this video was a practice run).

So in closing, I ask those that think they are better or can compete on the same level please sign your name on the dotted line of an entrance form and battle yourself. :smile:

Jay-sus people is AF OG....not Drift OG, but AF OG...

its people who've known each other awhile who like drifting, thats all...

Also:

Not everyone:

a)lives near a track
b)has events
c) lives in the southwest USA where drifting is taking off
d)can afford a vid cam

Theres no reason to become defensive of a fad or trend... since if you know your the shit... what do u have to worry about?

If your a good driver/drifting... start going to track events or competitions and start winning... or are you scared of these ricer boys actually making it out there?

The only people who should be scared are ricer boys who always like to talk, rice out their cars but never do anything with it.

i say, lets bring the level of competition up and then we can get sponsorships and more knowledge and better aftermarket parts without having to pay a grip.

thats what you should be thinking about

Ive seen ricer boys make it out, with near fatal results...:frown:

I drive a Civc, and I can tell you that's not drifting. My friend drives an Eclipse and he agrees that is not drifting. THAT IS POWERSLIDING! Two different things. FF don't drift.

So explain how that is powersliding.

jdmkenji is 100% right.

dayna240sx: If that's so easy to produce then go do it and bring us a video.

What makes everyone think you can't drift in a front wheel drive car? Because the D1 drifters only drive FR?

S13_Iketani: He's not drifting because he's not as sideways as you can get your Pontiac? I can make my MR-2 spin in circles around a turn, I must be the best drifter ever (for the half a second before I would crash and die).

AirAllen01: If you tried to powerslide in a front wheel drive car you'd understeer, not oversteer.

Anything can be drifted. You can drift in a golf cart if you were really intent on it. Drifting is controlling your car beyond the limits of traction. I'd be interested to know how many members of this forum actually at least try to drift in the real world.

I do not mean to "flame" or offend any of you. I simply think that you guys should make this forum a little more professional.

dayna240sx: If that's so easy to produce then go do it and bring us a video.




Um yeah, I dont need to prove myself. Do you see a fucking front drive car on my list? NO, I dont own one anymore therefore, I'm not going to go buy another one, strip the hell out of it, then video tape it for you.

My boyfriend used to have a shitty '89 turbo probe GT for his winter beater before the WRX. Anyway, he striped everything out of the car except for the seats, stearing wheel, and shifter. It handled almost as good as a reardrive car. Note the ALMOST so I dont want to hear anyones shit.

And you know what else? The thing ran a 12.9 1/4 mile. I wish I kept the time slip but last year, I didnt really care, nor did I have to prove myself.

Let me know if you need tips on how to be a decent driver.

Ok, first of all there's no reason to be so defensive. Second, if you don't need to prove yourself then why are you telling me about your car that runs a 12.9? Almost sounds like you're trying to prove yourself.

About the tips, no thanks. I don't need advice from anyone so naive as to think a front wheel drive car is inferior to a rear wheel drive car just because its drivetrain.

Originally posted by Corey I RanciD
Ok, first of all there's no reason to be so defensive. Second, if you don't need to prove yourself then why are you telling me about your car that runs a 12.9? Almost sounds like you're trying to prove yourself.

About the tips, no thanks. I don't need advice from anyone so naive as to think a front wheel drive car is inferior to a rear wheel drive car just because its drivetrain.


Typically a rear drive does "handle" better than a front drive car. Look up some skid pad spec and compare the front and rear drives. i would bet the average would come out in favor of the rear-drives... There are alot more factors to it than just that.

You are wrong, a balanced front drive car when induced in a powerslide will not always understeer. If set up and driven properly oversteer can be produced. The probe did it.

Also concerning the polar moment inertia of your MR2. yeah sure you can spin around. but is it as easily controlled of a "drift" as what a FR car would be? no, it would take a lot more practice and suspension tuning to get it to be "drift" predictible.

I've had a long day and do not feel like arguing. stop being a hater.

I'm not hating anything, I'm defending front wheel drive cars. You've got some kind of problem with them, hence what started all of this. As far as powersliding in a front wheel drive, there's too many other factors to say how the car will react in a given situation. A properly setup car for oversteer can be controlled to oversteer through a turn. If you slam on the gas and try to start turning in a stock Honda Accord, you're going into the woods.

As for drifting in an MR-2, you're correct, it does take more practice to control the car than an FC, Silvia or other similar 50/50 weight FR car. Suspension tuning is too often used as an excuse for lack of skill. I'm not implying that you're not a skilled driver or anything, just pointing out this fact. You don't need $1,400 coilovers. You can drift any car in stock form. It may be slow and difficult (especially if you've got an open differential) but it can be done. Most people will reccomend you learn this way.

i think it's a fear that the whole drifting scene will be engulfed by the ricers out there.

Originally posted by dayna240sx



Typically a rear drive does "handle" better than a front drive car. Look up some skid pad spec and compare the front and rear drives. i would bet the average would come out in favor of the rear-drives... There are alot more factors to it than just that.


You're forgetting, that the majority of RWD drive cars today are sports cars, and that FWD is used for everything else, meaning that a skidpad comparison between the two to figure out which has the best handling would be unfair. But...
The 1986 Jackson Racing Honda CRX, did manage to pull off 0.91g on the skidpad - which is identical to the Corvette's rating of the same year - and better than the Porsche 944...

Originally posted by 2strokebloke


You're forgetting, that the majority of RWD drive cars today are sports cars, and that FWD is used for everything else

That was one of the factors i was leaving out...

I actually learned car control in reletively stock rear-drive old school cop car... in january while driving around on ice.. And yes too much modification will just be picking up for lack of drivers skills. My RX-7 race car had Tokico Shocks, stock springs, an ST front Sway bar and no rear sway bar and 18x,xxx miles and i would run near the front mixing it up with guys with fresh engines and atleast 2K in suspension mods.

I do not hate front drive cars. I had a great probe and i still own a 2000 Civic Si which i bought new and have in storage.. I may drive it for a while after I sell the 240.

i'm not hating FWD cars either. i drive one at the time being, and i've driven many that handle well. i just don't believe that an FWD can drift in the truest sense of the word.

and yeah, i've had my Pontiac more sideways then that Civic. i don't consider myself a "l33t drift0r" because of that. hell, it's a 343,000km automatic 12 year old Pontiac family car. but i got it pretty sideways, and have video evidence. the file is fairly large though, and i haven't hosted it anywhere yet because i don't know of a place. i don't consider the way that i got sideways "drifting", i just consider it getting sideways.

I thought I had posted something on this....But if I missposted or something here I go again...

FF cars cannot drift..yes..they can go through corners sideways..it's not drifting..Yes they can lose traction in their rear tires....It's not drifting...the reason is technically the drift can't be sustained, and no "going sideways" isn't drifting...going sideways is going sideways.
Excuse my while I preach on it for a bit here.

drift
v. drift·ed, drift·ing, drifts
v. intr.

To be carried along by currents of air or water:
To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly:

Here's where we break this down and settle it.

These are the exact word for word definitions of "drift" in the dictionary, and it relates to the automotive aspect of drifting as such. "To be carried along by currents of air or water" would be to be carried along by the engine within your vehicle....In MR and FR, such a thing is true, you are carried along by the power your engine creates, however the same cannot be said for FWD drivetrains. Durring an alleged "drift" in a FWD car the thing powering the car through the corner is the built up intertia the driver has created in a car, not the engine..The only thing the engine does is take the car out of it's motion. As far as "To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly" Those aspects can be related to, Drifting not being the fastest way to get from point A to point B, however it is consistant in it's actions and styles (I hope you understood that) a FWD car follows only 1 characteristic, and that is that it doesn't take the fastest way from point A to point B, simply because it is TRYING to lose control. However in a FWD car the E-brake is used to stop the rear wheels so that the inertia can send the rear end of the car sliding outwards, but this cannot be sustained..If the e-brake is on the gas isn't pressed, meaning there is no power, meaning you're going to stop in the middle of a corner facing the wrong way...However if you release the ebrake once your rear end is at a desired position it will whip the car right back around to the direction the front wheel's are facing, completly wasting the time of E-braking, so in order to get around a corner using such a style the driver must constantly revert from his/her E-brake to his/her gas pedel, and every time that transition is made there will be a instantaneous whipping affect to the car and will be fully aparent from both the inside and the outside as the rear end of the car slowly slides back into it's place, following the front wheels...Meaning it is not a smooth motion..It doesn't matter how fast the driver is with his/her hands and feet, there will always be that motion of the rear end jerking back to re-align with the front/powered wheels which throws the concept of "Smoothly" out the window..I'm well aware that some/alot of drivers using FR MR and AWD drive layouts use their Ebrake and such things can occur with those aswell, but with those drivelayouts it can be avoided depending on the driver, with a FF car there is no way to get around it.

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OMG!!
HAHAHA
I just finished DLing this video..That isn't drifting..That is CRAP..that is the worste attempt at drifting I've ever seen in my entire life! I love how my point is proven completly when he releases the E-brake and steps on the gas..Lol..So great...so great

short posts are always great.....next time try para-phrasing it:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Shinez
I thought I had posted something on this....But if I missposted or something here I go again...


drift
v. drift·ed, drift·ing, drifts
v. intr.

To be carried along by currents of air or water:
To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly:

Here's where we break this down and settle it.

These are the exact word for word definitions of "drift" in the dictionary, and it relates to the automotive aspect of drifting as such. "To be carried along by currents of air or water" would be to be carried along by the engine within your vehicle....In MR and FR, such a thing is true, you are carried along by the power your engine creates, however the same cannot be said for FWD drivetrains. Durring an alleged "drift" in a FWD car the thing powering the car through the corner is the built up intertia the driver has created in a car, not the engine..The only thing the engine does is take the car out of it's motion. As far as "To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly" Those aspects can be related to, Drifting not being the fastest way to get from point A to point B, however it is consistant in it's actions and styles (I hope you understood that) a FWD car follows only 1 characteristic, and that is that it doesn't take the fastest way from point A to point B, simply because it is TRYING to lose control. However in a FWD car the E-brake is used to stop the rear wheels so that the inertia can send the rear end of the car sliding outwards, but this cannot be sustained..If the e-brake is on the gas isn't pressed, meaning there is no power, meaning you're going to stop in the middle of a corner facing the wrong way...However if you release the ebrake once your rear end is at a desired position it will whip the car right back around to the direction the front wheel's are facing, completly wasting the time of E-braking, so in order to get around a corner using such a style the driver must constantly revert from his/her E-brake to his/her gas pedel, and every time that transition is made there will be a instantaneous whipping affect to the car and will be fully aparent from both the inside and the outside as the rear end of the car slowly slides back into it's place, following the front wheels...Meaning it is not a smooth motion..It doesn't matter how fast the driver is with his/her hands and feet, there will always be that motion of the rear end jerking back to re-align with the front/powered wheels which throws the concept of "Smoothly" out the window..I'm well aware that some/alot of drivers using FR MR and AWD drive layouts use their Ebrake and such things can occur with those aswell, but with those drivelayouts it can be avoided depending on the driver, with a FF car there is no way to get around it.

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OMG!!
HAHAHA
I just finished DLing this video..That isn't drifting..That is CRAP..that is the worste attempt at drifting I've ever seen in my entire life! I love how my point is proven completly when he releases the E-brake and steps on the gas..Lol..So great...so great

omg!! you stole that off me....after i stole it off someone else...hahaha:biggrin2:

and as i mentioned about that statement b4

have no idea as to what it's talking about....must be talking about the majority of "would be/ trying to be" ff drifters b/c if you do it correctly....u don't use the e-brake...the only time you would use it is to change the angle of the car:bigthumb:

Originally posted by DoriftoSX


omg!! you stole that off me....after i stole it off someone else...hahaha:biggrin2:

Well you probably stole it from me..seeing as how I typed this up and saved it to my desktop like a year ago...I used it back on the GTP forum in mah......undisclosed racing days

explain that whole thing one more time..Cause I honestly don't see how it's possible to drift using only left foot braking with a FWD car..unless you like..completly disengage te front brakes...

Originally posted by Shinez


Well you probably stole it from me..seeing as how I typed this up and saved it to my desktop like a year ago...I used it back on the GTP forum in mah......undisclosed racing days

if your the same shinez thats in the Drifters Only forum of GTP then yes i did...and its nice to meet you.. :biggrin:

Nice to meet you too..Woo I'm famous!!
:bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb:
Anyhow...I got banned from GTP for calling some kid a Stupid Canadian...After he called me a "Stupid dumbazz who doesn't know schiet about cars or racing"......He used a little more abrupt terminology, i cleaned it up a bit...But anyway..I got termed, he's still on...And after "window washing" my pc of all the cookies I created a new account called "Shinez AGAIN"...and got termed for NO reason on that...then went on a account creating spree and messed with the mods quite a bit...I saved a screenshot of my work before and here it is

P.S. ...Don't get offended mods...It was a grudge against GTP's mods only....You guys do good jobs and you're not A-holes about it...and if this is too much feel free to delete it...and my bad.

haha....good one....I should pull that one on Iketani:iceslolan

kids :rolleyes:

Hey...A guy gets frustrated.....He gives the authoritative figures a hard time, and makes it fun for everyone else...:lol: :lol:

you all are fucking morons. FF's can drift but you all are to stupid to see it so go make some sweet love to your mommas

nice 1st post....u have a bright future somewhere else other than AF

but on the topic of FF drifting.....i dare use ur name in sayin "urwrong" :lol2:

explain that whole thing one more time..Cause I honestly don't see how it's possible to drift using only left foot braking with a FWD car..unless you like..completly disengage te front brakes...


that's the only way i know how to do it.....unless someone else know another method where u don't use the e-brake to intiate a drift

HAHAHAHAHAHA! So, thats wht you American kids call drifting? :rofl:

I asked for a vide of a FWD car maintaining speed and drift through more than one corner. Well, this video sure as hell ain't it! Thats not even close to drifting and is just barely sliding his ass out! He wasn't even sliding his entire car. Man, you kids need better evidence than this as this just ain't drifting in any sense of the word.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! So, thats wht you American kids call drifting? :rofl:

I asked for a vide of a FWD car maintaining speed and drift through more than one corner. Well, this video sure as hell ain't it! Thats not even close to drifting and is just barely sliding his ass out! He wasn't even sliding his entire car. Man, you kids need better evidence than this as this just ain't drifting in any sense of the word.

Yeah, we're laughing too, not necessarily with you though if you get what I'm saying. You asked for something that simply doesn't exist. Not with front wheel drive cars, not with all wheel drive cars, not even with the ultra supAARR LEETT!!!11 rear wheel drive cars. Drifting is about as SLOW as you can possibly go through a corner other than parking your car, unloading a wheel chair and trying to tow the car around the corner with it. It's absolutely impossible to maintain your speed. Friction slows you down and when your tires are perpendicular with the direction of your momentum there's going to be a LOT of friction. Sure, it seems like you're going fast but compare your exit speed with a run through the same corner without drifting. It's like night and day. Drifting is slow no matter how you put it.

Any not drifting in any sense of the word? That just depends on what you personally see as drifting. To me drifting is nothing more than controlled loss of traction. To you, it's obviously something along the lines of "a rear wheel drive car doing something TOTALLY JDM TYTE YO LOL ROFL!!!!1". If that guy is so bad at drifting then get a video camera and show us what you can do. I doubt you're in any position to be talking bad of the guy in the video.

By the way, I believe that Civic won that event, beating many rear wheel drive cars.

Hey fellas how are ya?

Here is some information right from the horses mouth:

I competed against this guy at that hyperfest in beaver run.

It was my first competition and the guy did extreamly well in the finals. We were allowed 2 practice runs and then two final runs.

In the finals he was able to shoot around turn three sideways which was at the top of the track. It was a decreasing radius downhill turn. Many guys went off track there.

He also banged the slingshot out which was an S turn at the bottom of the hill.

In the finals he went thru those turns in full front wheels smoking vtec while cranking on the ebrake and Left foot braking at times. Turn three was ebrake and the slingshot was left foot.

It was impressive to see him connect the s-turn.

Now you are also talking about a lot of guys that are new to this. I am still 6 months into it and I am a totally different driver as are all of the other guys.

I have not seen the dude in the civic since then but I know he also gets busy on motorcycles, I took some shots of him in action:

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/07-06-03_HyperFest_UD_Bikers_42.JPG

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_07-06-03_HyperFest_UD_Bikers_351.jpg

I think it would be a totally different story if this was to go on again. But that is why there is next year. I have not watched the video but I can tell you the guy hooked the turns right and was seamless in the finals.

Hell I even banged out the turns in the finals.

I am not a great drifter. I know maybe two techniques. I think you guys just need to have some more fun or something.

Some pictures from our last event at Englishtown Raceway Park, NJ:

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_event7-31.jpg

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_event7-21.jpg

I need my swaybars already. The front is killing me.

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_event7-11.jpg

I love this shot. I wish I could post it actual size. It is something like 2500 x 2000:

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_dakota_quad_cab_sport_plus1.jpg

For all you steelie lovers:
http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_stanbo31.jpg

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_stanbo21.jpg

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_stanbo11.jpg

You might not notice it here but I am in the back and my friend Chris is in the front. We were drifting the full ring at full speed at each other. I was on the outside and he took the inside line. This was the second time that day.

There is a video of us doing it the first time floating around on the 'net.

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_12861.jpg

Me and the fellas.

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_12581.jpg

No one got as close as me to that wall. I left marks a foot away from the wall with my bumper a couple inches off of it. That is where a group of spectators was standing and where many of the Signal Drift videos were shot.

I think I have my car control down now. I just have to keep the turns tighter. I am taking the advice guys :D You know who you are and thank you!

http://www.importfanatix.com/assets/images/db_images/db_498083_3667588416454266955_vl1.jpg

is that Josh's car that you're beside in the second-to-last picture?

i hope i got his name right...i can't remember exactly. if it's not Josh, then it's Drew...those are the 2 names floating in my head. :screwy:

he's insane. :iceslolan

Here is the lineup left to right.

Stanley aka StanBo

Sal aka Noyz240

Josh aka Gaysian

Matt's friend


And I am wrong in that post. Someone did get closer. Josh did and then he hit the wall. But he is unstoppable.

Hey Corey, your hands might be large but you still couldn't succeed though you are grasping at straws. Your reasoning.....I am being more than generous here....is faulty beyond compare. FWD cars simply cannot drift and this video was offered as evidence that they can. This video is more than a failure, its a joke. The guy wasn't even in control...something you require for drifting to happen. He was just slinging the ass around hoping it would come out. And, as for drifting being slow? :screwy:

Silly AMerican kids now want to ride the latest fad that they will make up any bullshit statement to justify their slavish need for it. You can laugh at me all you like as he who laughs last...laughs best.

Hey Corey, your hands might be large but you still couldn't succeed though you are grasping at straws. Your reasoning.....I am being more than generous here....is faulty beyond compare. FWD cars simply cannot drift and this video was offered as evidence that they can. This video is more than a failure, its a joke. The guy wasn't even in control...something you require for drifting to happen. He was just slinging the ass around hoping it would come out. And, as for drifting being slow? :screwy:

Silly AMerican kids now want to ride the latest fad that they will make up any bullshit statement to justify their slavish need for it. You can laugh at me all you like as he who laughs last...laughs best.

This coming from a person who refuses to offer any evidence of any kind to back up his claims? Hey where's your proof that FWD can't drift? Huh? Got any? No? I thought so. Until you actually have a logical argument, don't touch this topic, you're polluting this forum with your lame unsubstantiated arguments. If you don't like FWD drifting, fine don't touch it. But until you actually have anything to back up your hollow words, don't continue on like everything is black and white, in other words: get information, because simply stating "FWD can't drift" without giving any sort of an explanation to back that statement up doesn't work.
Now go on your quest for (real) knowledge...

Nope, I don't have to prove a negative. Thats not how a logical discussion works. Look into it. I'll even help you out, show definitive proof of a FWD car maintaining control to iniatie a slide, maintain a slide, and also using control to countersteer. If you can prove this, then you can prove that FWD can drift and no one can argue with that.

Until then, where's your proof that FWD can drift? Huh? Got any? No? I thought so. Until you actually have a logical argument, don't touch this topic, you're polluting this forum with your lame unsubstantiated arguments. Until you actually have anything to back up your hollow words because simply stating "FWD can drift" without giving any sort of an explanation to back that statement up doesn't work. Thank you.

Nope, I don't have to prove a negative. Thats not how a logical discussion works. Look into it. I'll even help you out, show definitive proof of a FWD car maintaining control to iniatie a slide, maintain a slide, and also using control to countersteer. If you can prove this, then you can prove that FWD can drift and no one can argue with that.

Until then, where's your proof that FWD can drift? Huh? Got any? No? I thought so. Until you actually have a logical argument, don't touch this topic, you're polluting this forum with your lame unsubstantiated arguments. Until you actually have anything to back up your hollow words because simply stating "FWD can drift" without giving any sort of an explanation to back that statement up doesn't work. Thank you.

There are some videos of Tsushiya drifting a civic. I will ask my friends to find it.

It'll certainly be a welcome video to see. Japanese are no doubt better drivers. If you can, we all would love to see the circle drift test. Now, if a Japanese driver can do the giant circle drift, he will have overcome a great handicap and defy the laws of physics. Oh, and please be sure its a video of him doing more than just sliding. Rememer, control has to be there, not just ass dragging like that pathtic video that was chimerically offered as proof.

Hey Corey, your hands might be large but you still couldn't succeed though you are grasping at straws. Your reasoning.....I am being more than generous here....is faulty beyond compare. FWD cars simply cannot drift and this video was offered as evidence that they can. This video is more than a failure, its a joke. The guy wasn't even in control...something you require for drifting to happen. He was just slinging the ass around hoping it would come out. And, as for drifting being slow? :screwy:

Silly AMerican kids now want to ride the latest fad that they will make up any bullshit statement to justify their slavish need for it. You can laugh at me all you like as he who laughs last...laughs best.

Ok, that first line doesn't make any sense at all. I like your argument against FWD drifting. "FWD cars simply cannot drift". Yeah, that's really logical. You obviously have absolutely no real racing or drifting experience. No, you didn't autocross for 30 years. No, you didn't win D1GP. No, you didn't win Le Mans. You can come out of a drift at "high speed" but if you look at the speed you came into the corner it will be far higher. If you look at the speed you'd have come out of the corner by grip driving you'll notice it's far higher than drifting. Drifting is for SHOW. It's not possible to maintain anywhere near the speeds through a corner that you could driving a normal grip line.

And that guy wasn't in control? He just happened to make it around every corner without sliding off the track, rolling the car, whatever through pure luck right? The video is a failure or a joke? He's better than you will ever be if you continue to be so ignorant.

GROW UP.

And no, japanese are not better drivers. Your race has absolutely nothing to do with your driving ability.