Protar FIAT 806 1500CC Bj. 1927 1/12

Hello,

here is my next project.
Its my first Protar and im a little bit nerveus about the fitting of the parts! :runaround:
I bought it from a guy at the www.modellboard.net (http://www.modellboard.net) forum.It was really,really cheap.Thanks a lot to them!

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3937363939343466.jpg

I removed all the red paint from the parts.The paint was really thick and i had fear that there all details are loosing.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3266353566626232.jpg

Just fitting the cockpit part.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6334656164663334.jpg

You can see that the rivets are not so good build.I think th epaint is going to remove the sharpness.So i decided to use real rivets like my Honda Ra.
The metal is really thick and i use a 0,5mm drill.I must be very patiently with it.


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3439373161346461.jpg

The engine is allmost build from th eguy i bought it.Its ok.I only remove the parts that not glued and will paint it with filler.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3863613665366431.jpg

Take a look inside the box.Many parts are falling around,but i think its all there. :smokin:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3530326434383136.jpg

This is one of the things that i dont like!
The enginecovers are made with a outside hinge!
Thats crap!
I will change it,i still dont know how,but i change it!

Today i bought at a hardwareshop sparycans for the red parts.
I will test it at the time and than i see if its ok or not.

Enough for now,i will go on with the work! :mrgreen:

best regards
Christian

Nice subject Capri! This kit is super rare and much more challenging than any Tamiya kit. (Probably why the last guy gave up.)

The outside piano hinge on the engine covers is correct but way way way out of scale unfortunately. I haven't started my kit yet but figured to replace it with hypodermic tube and fine wire. It's going to be difficult to paint without it chipping off too. On the positive side, your castings look sharp. Some of these kits have engine covers with short-shot louvers that are practically impossible to repair.

Another thing I thought of doing is to replace all the brown plastic parts with real basswood. That would really add a lot.

Have you found any good photo's of the real car? I understand it was destroyed.

Hi,

most pics i found shows models from the car.Only 3-4 pics in black&white from the original car.
On that original pics are no piano hinge on the outside.
Do you have some pics from that?
I also thought about to replace that woodsticker inside the cockpit.Maybee i use real wood.But till that point ist a long way to go.

If you have some pice from that hinge,please send it to.

best regards
Christian

Hello,

i got this picture at home.
My thought was that the piano hinge was not there.I mean that that gap comes from the fitting thats not correct.

I dont know how i can say it.My english is limited.

I really think that the hinge is inside the car.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3464623534653434.jpg


Maybee your are right.What kond of material will you use for the hinge?
I think about to clue on of the hoods and made only one the open.

Christian

Hi Capri, I made this kit some 25 years ago and it fitted together very well and is now sat in my Dads lounge still looking good. The hinge is correct and looks fine when finished, some of the moving parts could do with scratch made replacements. You will see what I mean later in your build.
Good Luck,
Lee

Hi Christian,

Did you look at Dieter Knupfer for his fine hinges?

Ton

Hi Christian,

Did you look at Dieter Knupfer for his fine hinges?

Ton


Yes,i am a good customer of his great work. :1:
He has good hinges,but no piano hinge that i found there?
I think i take a normal hinge inside and close the ohter side.

But one thing is shure.The Protar hinge is not the correct size.

Christian

He has good hinges,but no piano hinge that i found there?

You are right! But I have seen them somewhere :)

Looking at the picture CrateCruncher posted above i'd say the piano hinge is on the outside. There's this thin round looking line running along the centre line of the bonnet....!?
Have you considered doing the hinge from scratch? I think it should be doable with some 0,1mm sheet of brass or nickel silver and an appropriately sized wire.

Wow,i dont think that a 0,1mm brass has enough power to hold the 2 hoods.
They are realy heavy.

Im not shure what im going to do.
If anyone knows a shop who has a very small hinge,please let me know.

Maybee i will use this for the hinge?

http://www.knupfershop.de/shop/index.php?cp_sid=7773832b53a7&cp_tpl=main

But now i will say bye.Im the next 3 days in holiday.

best regards
Christian

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3464623534653434.jpg



Love they way the driver casually has his arm resting on the exhaust heat shield. The original Bentley Boy, Henry 'Tim' Birkin died from burning his arm on a exhaust like this...nutters!

Have you considered doing the hinge from scratch? I think it should be doable with some 0,1mm sheet of brass or nickel silver and an appropriately sized wire.

Kinda like this?:smokin:
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/cratecruncher/Miscellaneous/swbfrt026.jpg

Exactly! :-)

Christian,

You could glue several of these in a row with only one rod to keep them together

http://www.knupfershop.de/shop/pimages/Scharnier%203.jpg

Hello,

some pics who shows the next step

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3464316263303132.jpg

A dry fitting show me that the chassis and the body are fit well.
I sanded the hinge and now im in a thinking process of how i can put it inside?


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6234653430366338.jpg

This is my "favorit work" :mrgreen:
Drilling 0,5mm holes in the metalchassis.I used now about 15 drills and theres still no end!

kind regards
Christian

Hi,

after a loss of motivation,i´m back in buisness.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6163333737326434.jpg

I just made the interieur with real wood instead of the plasticsticker.
A few rivets and the interieur is finished.

More this week.

kind regards
Christian

The plate inside is finished.
Just a little wheatering and ist done.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3635363063303165.jpg

Thanks!

Next step.
The hinge on the hood.
Its not really that what i wanted,but its ok now. :?

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6666623262316435.jpg


here the original from a Protar build.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3333336538383766.jpg


That big ones overthere does not look very good to me. :oops:


I just pulled real screws to the chassis and replaced the metal rivets with real ones.

kind regards
Christian

Hi,

today was a color day. :mrgreen:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6239316431386538.jpg

The rivets also become some color.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3738643730656466.jpg

The springs are ready and the rest of the chassis also ready.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3135343561643765.jpg

Only the Fiat engine still needs some work and details.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3436363539633834.jpg

Kind regards

Christian

Here it goes........


If made the engine and took some weathering paint from Tamiya on it.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3866643137636138.jpg


The chassis is now finished.I take Top Coat Semigloss and sprayed 3 layers on it.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3036373434626532.jpg


The most difficult thing was the starting number on the hood.
Protar give some templates to spray the number on it.But those stickers are much to thick and they dont look good.
So i made it with a white Eddingpen.The rest was made with a stencil per hand.
It looks not so good that i wanted to look,but its ok for now.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3762653038353861.jpg

The engine and the chassis are only lay on it,thats the reason it looks very buckled.


Kind Regards

Christian

Just a pic of the Protar ignitionwire.
They are much to big and dont look very well.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6432396634396463.jpg

Just made a little scratch of heat shrink tube.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6533323834376637.jpg

bye
Christian

This one is coming along nicely Christian. Keep going!

Little progress....


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3432646566623530.jpg

Glue the tank in it and put a cabel on.Meanwhile i think the cable is not thick enough,but later is it unvisible.So who cares?

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6134323139326463.jpg

The frontcooler without the cooler. :mrgreen:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3032303338303162.jpg

All the stuff from above.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3165373664663931.jpg

The enigine is complete and still waiting for her first start.
The next step will be the frontsuspension and the rims.
First i thought of using selfmade rims,but i think im not able to make rims who lokks good enough.
So i will use the Protar ones.The look not so cool,but good enough.


Kind Regards
Christian

This one is coming along nicely Christian. Keep going!

:1:

Looking great, and enjoying reading your progress on this!

After Vettel lost the race,i start a little progress on the Fiat.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3938663038616432.jpg

The cooler is now finished.I put real screws from www.knupfershop.de in it and i think they look really cool.
The frontsuspension is about 95% ready,theres only a few screws to put on.


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3433633336336532.jpg


Next step will be the rims.Theres a lot of sanding and than they must fit together,hopefully?

Bye!

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6232346362313735.jpg


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3739346138626439.jpg

Kind Regards

The tyres are ready and the Fiat looks like a car,now.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3665663539396339.jpg

Its getting slowly to the end.

Kind Regards
Christian

Hello,

today was the wedding between engine and the chassis.

Was a lot of work to fit them together!
It took me a while and i had some parts who dont want to fit togehter.Just a lot of scratch part to made.

But finally here are the pics.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3334343366383430.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3735313135393235.jpg



Next step will bethe metallparts from the body.I saw 4 screws where i dont know how to set a screwdriver on?
I think the only way is to glue them on the chassis.
Well,i see when i get more inspiration.

Kind Regards
Christian

Hi,

here are 3 pics with the body parts.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6234356635373764.jpg

Hood closed


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3166663631323035.jpg


Hood open


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3561613535353833.jpg

from above


Kind Regards
Christian

Just a little step forward.

I add a cotter( dont if this the right word?) to the central-locking of the rims.
I dont know if they are also on the real car,but there was some holes in it. The only thing that come in my mind to do with the holes was to made some cotters.


http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/6239363433336334.jpg


The seat was made with MFH leather and i add some screws from Knupfer.de

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3064356237303337.jpg

Next step will be the exhaust,but theres a lot of work to do.Next time more from that.

Kind Regards
Christian

Well,now its almost done.
A few parts must be colored and put on the car.



http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/73/3980473/3261633332376364.jpg


This is the last pic here,the next ones will be in the gallery.

So the FIAT is finished right time,tomorrow will start the World Championships.
In the next 5 weeks there is no time for modelling. :mrgreen:

After that i think i will be made a Doyusha Lancia Startos restauration,maybee?

Thanks for sharing my wip with your comments.

More in the gallery.

Kind Regards
Christian

Excellent work! Can't wait to see the completed pics!

Not sure why I missed this thread. Its wonderful.
Great build, excellent craftsmanship.

This is a beautiful build. I have this kit I wanted to build oneday but I dont think I will live long enough. If anyone is interested let me know.

Amazing43

Please take a look of this Fiat I am building from scratch.

http://www.scalemotorcars.com/forum/large-scale-cars/14990-1927-fiat-806-corsa-1-8-like-protar.html

What do you think?

Very interesting wip and a fascinating subject. I hope you enjoyed building this as it was for us to follow along.

I have just seen this for the first time and WOW what a build. Amazing quality and detail.

Regards Wayne

Thanks a lot guys,i just nearly forget this build.
He is standing somewhere in my hobbyroom under a big layer of dust.

@jfonticobal (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=675426): Sorry,but cant see your pics,because "exceeded the maximum number of posts you can view" and i dont want to login to another forum.
Why dont you share your pice here with us?